Matt Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I thought that campus was a bit too liberal to stick with their original statement. http://www.in-forum.com/Sports/articles/155049 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I thought that campus was a bit too liberal to stick with their original statement. www.in-forum.com/Sports/articles/155049 I thought the same thing, but I would have assumed that Barta was making informed statements and not just using his own opinion in this matter. Here is the link to the Herald story.Wisconsin says no, after all. Your link doesn't jive, Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnanigans Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 This one hurts.... Any other thoughts of big schools that we might be able to schedule? In my opinion it will be crucial for us to get one of these big games each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 This one hurts.... Any other thoughts of big schools that we might be able to schedule? In my opinion it will be crucial for us to get one of these big games each year. There are lots of DI schools besides MN & WIS. The only thing that sucks is they are the two closest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Wisconsin will play those schools in postseason tournaments or where it must fulfill conference obligations. *cough*Hypocrites*cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I also noticed that Wisconsin won't play several schools to which the NCAA has given exemptions. Not even the Badgers trust Myles Brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 But Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin will play the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, or the Idaho Vandals, or the San Diego State Aztecs, and even the Oklahoma Sooners (and a Sooner is someone who stole Indian lands "sooner" than it was legal to). Hypocrits. H-Y, P-O, C-R-I-T-S. Hypocrits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Anyone who has ever been to Madison would realize this is not a surprise. I would have been shocked had they allowed scheduling in sports other than hockey. The reality is that the two DI schools Sioux fans would want to see the most, and would be the most willing and able to travel to, will not schedule us. It's not fatal to a DI move, but IMO, it will certainly inhibit fan involvement and excitement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Anyone who has ever been to Madison would realize this is not a surprise. I would have been shocked had they allowed scheduling in sports other than hockey. The reality is that the two DI schools Sioux fans would want to see the most, and would be the most willing and able to travel to, will not schedule us. It's not fatal to a DI move, but IMO, it will certainly inhibit fan involvement and excitement. Having the three closest Big 10 schools (Iowa being the third) not be willing to play UND is a kick in the teeth, no question about it, especially given UND has connections to all three which would have made basketball and possibly even occasional football games a very real possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Here is some questions for you all. How many more D1 team will not play UND? Is the lists going to grow so much that it kills a D1 move? How hard is it going to be to find a conference with our nickname? At what point is it smart to keep our name? What if the NCAA gets the votes and passes the measure? How much more bad press can UND take? At what point do you even want to be called the Fighting Sioux? The reason i ask is that my family is diehard Fighting Sioux fans. My parents have worked at the U for over 25 years. At the start of the name ban the whole family wanted to fight till the death over the name. As time has gone by most are sick if the name fight, "there is no honor left in the name" one family member said. Flickertails sounds better every day. At least when the Sioux win there 8th National title there will not be a side note of how racist the people in North Dakota are...... Please don't slam me, these are real questions long time sioux fans ask. I would love to keep the name, but there is a limit people can take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Flickertails sounds better every day. I thought you were serious up to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodakvindy Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I guess I don't see this as such a death blow. As a kid growing up in western North Dakota, I associated more with the Big Eight/12 Schools, so I would love to see schools like Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado or Iowa State on the schedule. And for basketball, Kansas is certainly a more exciting option than any Big 10 school other than the 2 that we played exhibition games against this year. There is a lot less arrogance and elitism from the Big 12 despite posessing schools that are every bit the equal athletically and academically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsowe Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 The question is if UND win aginst the NCAA will these school honor it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 At least when the Sioux win there 8th National title there will not be a side note of how racist the people in North Dakota are...... What color is the sky in your world, and in what department on campus do you teach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 The question is if UND win aginst the NCAA will these school honor it? I doubt it. In the cases of Wisconsin and Iowa, anyway, I think their policies existed well before the NCAA got involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Here is some questions for you all. How many more D1 team will not play UND? Is the lists going to grow so much that it kills a D1 move? How hard is it going to be to find a conference with our nickname? At what point is it smart to keep our name? What if the NCAA gets the votes and passes the measure? How much more bad press can UND take? I point you to my response here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I'll play along for kicks and giggles. How many more D1 team will not play UND? Right now, the list of schools that will potentially play UND is considerably longer than the list that won't. Do we want a few politically correct schools to dictate what we should call ourselves? What if we pick a new name and they don't like that one, either? Is the lists going to grow so much that it kills a D1 move? Time will tell. How hard is it going to be to find a conference with our nickname? Maybe we should first have a conference tell UND that it won't be accepted because of its nickname before jumping to the conclusion that it's a serious problem. It could be a potential problem, but at this point, I'm not going to assume that it is until someone presents evidence otherwise. At what point is it smart to keep our name? Right now. What if the NCAA gets the votes and passes the measure? We'll burn that bridge when we come to it. I don't consider forcing the NCAA to actually follow its own constitution and bylaws a bad thing. Do you? How much more bad press can UND take? I'm not convinced that the publicity generated by this controversy is all bad for UND. In fact, I think most of it resonates quite well with a large majority of Americans. Until someone can produce an independent, scientific poll showing that most American Indians in the country are against using Native American nicknames for sports teams, I'd be willing to bet that the attention UND receives from the issue does it more good than harm. At what point do you even want to be called the Fighting Sioux? This point. As time has gone by most are sick if the name fight, "there is no honor left in the name" one family member said. You and your family members should visit the Sisseton-Wahpeton reservation and tell that to the family members of the late Woodrow Wilson Keeble, the man who's likely to become the first Sioux Indian to receive the Medal of Honor. Also tell it to the Sioux war veterans who came to Engelstad Arena to honor Keeble. Flickertails sounds better every day.I'm sorry, but no self-respecting UND sports fan would make this statement. I've never met anyone but change-the-name proponents who seriously think that Flickertails would be a good nickname. At least when the Sioux win there 8th National title there will not be a side note of how racist the people in North Dakota are...... Perhaps if you could show me where such sidenotes exist for any of UND's current national championships, your statment would have some credibility. Please don't slam me, these are real questions long time sioux fans ask. I would love to keep the name, but there is a limit people can take. I suspect that most UND fans have greater limits than NDSU fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Right now, the list of schools that will potentially play UND is considerably longer than the list that won't. Do we want a few politically correct schools to dictate what we should call ourselves? What if we pick a new name and they don't like that one, either?The two big rival teams won't play us. Maybe we should first have a conference tell UND that it won't be accepted because of its nickname before jumping to the conclusion that it's a serious problem. It could be a potential problem, but at this point, I'm not going to assume that it is until someone presents evidence otherwise. Its something to think about. We'll burn that bridge when we come to it. I don't consider forcing the NCAA to actually follow its own constitution and bylaws a bad thing. Do you?I gave money to fight did you? You and your family members should visit the Sisseton-Wahpeton reservation and tell that to the family members of the late Woodrow Wilson Keeble, the man who's likely to become the first Sioux Indian to receive the Medal of Honor. Also tell it to the Sioux war veterans who came to Engelstad Arena to honor Keeble. Saw it, loved it. There is others that speak out against us. Others run UND's name through the mud over this. I'm sorry, but no self-respecting UND sports fan would make this statement. I've never met anyone but change-the-name proponents who seriously think that Flickertails would be a good nickname. Can't put a bit of humor by you. Perhaps if you could show me where such sidenotes exist for any of UND's current national championships, your statment would have some credibility. Last one was in 2000 alittle before the NCAA ban. I could see it now USA Today Headline: Sioux win 8 time Champs, the Sioux are currently banned from hosting playoff games beacuse of their native american logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 What color is the sky in your world, and in what department on campus do you teach? My Mom and dad work for a living, They are NOT English or Comm. teachers. I don't work at the U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 If it comes to a point where ALL of our options are extinguished, and our student athletes are punished because of the Fighting Sioux nickname, it's time to retire it. If we do retire it, we should have no nickname and go by North Dakota. No nickname is the only nickname that will be not offensive to everyone. Now, how many negatives do I need to have in that last sentence to not make it a positive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 The two big rival teams won't play us. They're our big rivals in hockey and they're still playing us in hockey. Do you think that we will be big rivals with them in basketball and football? I gave money to fight did you?All that proves is that you like to waste your money. There is others that speak out against us. Others run UND's name through the mud over this. Which has been going on for more than 30 years. Yet after all that time, the majority of those allegedly victimized by American Indian nicknames don't believe that they're harmed by them. Can't put a bit of humor by you.It wasn't funny. I could see it now USA Today Headline: Sioux win 8 time Champs, the Sioux are currently banned from hosting playoff games beacuse of their native american logo. I'm sure you can see it. However, nobody's going to write a headline like that, not even USA Today. But if imagining it is enough to make you run away from the fight, then run away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 They're our big rivals in hockey and they're still playing us in hockey. Do you think that we will be big rivals with them in basketball and football?It would sure be fun to play them..... All that proves is that you like to waste your money. So the truth comes out you don't want to keep the name Which has been going on for more than 30 years. Yet after all that time, the majority of those allegedly victimized by American Indian nicknames don't believe that they're harmed by them.But wouldn't it be nice to hear about our hockey team with out the logo being brought up. It wasn't funny. It sure was, it got you going The point was to see how far we go with this name. It effects us every day. Each week a new school comes out against us. St. Cloud will be next in Basketball and Football when we are not in the NCC together, plus Duluth has that hippie up there that does't care for are logo. Will more come, i don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 All that proves is that you like to waste your money. Are you calling the NCAA Litigation Fund a waste of money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) Are you calling the NCAA Litigation Fund a waste of money? Not at all. I simply don't understand why someone would brag about giving money to a cause that he/she is obviously ready to abandon. Edited February 2, 2007 by PCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 The point was to see how far we go with this name. It effects us every day. Each week a new school comes out against us. St. Cloud will be next in Basketball and Football when we are not in the NCC together, plus Duluth has that hippie up there that does't care for are logo. Will more come, i don't know. You are grossly exaggerating the situation, which makes it easy to understand why you're ready to give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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