Siouxrock Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 i kinda thought the sioux goaltending sucks and the mankato rocks. how coem we can never get teh best goalies here when we have the best arena? is it our recruiting or what? may be there they just wanna finad another karl goehring but thats never gonna happen. STP RECRUITIN LITTLE GUYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Recruiting goalies is an art, not a science. It also appears to involve some luck. Last season, the MSU Mavericks came into The Ralph with Jason Jensen, an unheralded third-string walk-on goalie who helped Mankato sweep the Sioux. Saturday night, that same goalie made 48 saves and enabled the Mavs to sweep the Sioux again. In contrast, Josh Siembida, who was recruited by some of the top schools in college hockey, has not played up to his potential at UND. Why was Siembida brought in? Because Andy Kollar, who'd had a stellar career behind Karl Goehring, didn't play well. I don't know where this idea comes from that Blais somehow avoids recruting the best goalies avaiblable. Do you think that he planned to have mediocre goaltending last season and this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxrock Posted February 23, 2003 Author Share Posted February 23, 2003 no i am just wondering why he recruits the little goalies that r good in ushl and not the big goalies i guess it involves soem luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skateshattrick Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 The size of the goaltender is irrelevant. Of the recent great Sioux goaltenders, 3 of the 4 are small: Goehring, Casey and Schweitzer. Only Belfour could be considered a bigger goaltender. The problem is that the Sioux have not had very good luck recruiting goaltenders. Kollar was not heavily recruited [Lake Superior State also offered him some money], but he did not tie up another full ride. Brandt looked good out of high school, but did not develop in the USHL. The only knock on the Sioux in recruiting Brandt is that they may have done so too early. However, hindsight is 20/20, and that is how recruiting is done these days---often 2 years ahead of time when you expect the recruit to come in. Siembeda was very highly recruited, and arguably was the most sought-after goalie in the country. For whatever reason, he has not done well. Again, he was only 18, so he may have been overhyped. The verdict is still out on Sedevie, who is coming in next year. He did not have a great year last year, but this year, his statistics were good until he was injured. Lamoreaux is coming in for the 2004 season and although small, he appears to be very good. The only question that I have is why not bring in Ziegelmann who is having an outstanding year in Lincoln OR bring in Lamoreaux next year if Ziegelmann is not going to be recruited? What about Jordan Parise? He is 2nd in save percentage in the USHL? The Sioux clearly need to upgrade this position, whether small or large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Lake Vindy Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Good goal tending is 50 percent skill and 50 percent luck. To many fans think just because a player from the USHL logged great numbers they will put them up for D-1 teams. Forget it... The jr. stars find out real quick that every player on the ice in D-1 is as good or better then the best in jrs. Take a reality check - it will take even the best underclassmen time to adapt to the D-1 style. That's why Matt Greene is still taking stupid penalties, he used muscle instead of brains in juniors. Give him a while longer and maybe he will evolve like Mike Commodore. Also, maybe if the Sioux as constantly getting mugged like Tim Hennessy constantly complains, Greene should lay a lesson on the attacker(s) like Commie did against the Badger goon in old Ralph. let's hope that Marc Ransfranz is the Aaron Schweitzer of "97 or the Karl Goehring of 2000. SO SIOUX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Lamoreaux is coming in for the 2004 season and although small, he appears to be very good. The only question that I have is why not bring in Ziegelmann who is having an outstanding year in Lincoln OR bring in Lamoreaux next year if Ziegelmann is not going to be recruited? What about Jordan Parise? He is 2nd in save percentage in the USHL? The Sioux clearly need to upgrade this position, whether small or large. That is a novel Idea, why not bring in Lameroux, next fall lets use him now... Or pick up Ziggy... Ranfranz can split time with them the others can go else where... Lameroux has proven he can play in Jr.s, so the next step should be the WCHA. I am probably going to get blasted but I don't care why do we need to go another season with Brandt and Siembieda to see if they are going to pull out of this funk they are in? Remember Blais has said Scholarships are on a year to year basis you renew them every year, players are not guarenteed 4 years of scholarship. Should Blaiser risk having another team with great forwards and Mediocre goaltending? Ranfranz can probably go a whole season but you can't play ever single game he is going to need a back-up... I bet Zach could give his brother a tour around the place and talk him into going. Its time to look elsewhere... Flame away if you want the goaltending besides Marc Ranfranz is not good... I say ride Marc the rest of his stay here. Marc has earned the right to start... Besides he really pumps up the crowd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Remember Blais has said Scholarships are on a year to year basis you renew them every year, players are not guarenteed 4 years of scholarship. Goon, I guess I just assumed that Blais would do this at the end of the season. I'm not advocating that we stick with our current crop of goaltenders no matter what. On the other hand, now that Craig Perry is working as an assistant goalie coach, is there anything to be said for hanging on to Brandt or Siembida in hopes that he can develop one of them into a solid goalie? I don't like our current goaltending situation any better than anyone else, but I'm not sure that a revolving door from season to season is necessarily the answer, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDogsK Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 PCM I'm a Minnesotan who likes to read the Sioux board and has never posted before, but you said Jensen was an unheralded goalie third string goalie. That is not entirely true. Living here I remember him being recruited by the U quite heavily and according to newspaper articles about him he had BU offer him a full scholarship as well as Omaha. For some reason he chose Omaha, but after getting down there left hockey completely. He went to Mankato for college and from what I was told walked onto the team just to have fun with hockey again. ----Not that any of the Sioux fans really care, but just wanted to let you know what I knew about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 HDogsK, Thanks for the info on Jensen. I was going on what I remembered about him last season when he started for Mankato against the Sioux at the REA. I remember that most expected UND to run up the score on the Mavs because Jensen was a third-string walk-on. I didn't know anything about what he'd done prior to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Goon, I guess I just assumed that Blais would do this at the end of the season. I'm not advocating that we stick with our current crop of goaltenders no matter what. On the other hand, now that Craig Perry is working as an assistant goalie coach, is there anything to be said for hanging on to Brandt or Siembida in hopes that he can develop one of them into a solid goalie? I don't like our current goaltending situation any better than anyone else, but I'm not sure that a revolving door from season to season is necessarily the answer, either. I guess I should have said at the end of the season. I am just affraid at the end of the season. Poor Ranfranz is going to be the odd man out and he has played the best, I think he deserves some scholarship money. Can some tell me, anyone why Sofie is still around. There is probably a better chance than not he won't play much if ever if he stay 4 years of college. Here is a thought, maybe it has been entertained. Blais sends Brandt and Siembieda packing, or both go back to Juniors for more seasoning, they have proven the don't have what it takes to play at the divsion one leve. {maybe Jake is too old to go back to Juniors}. Phil comes in and redshirts, Blais recruits Ziggy and Ranfranz and ziggy start the year out as the men. If either struggles take the red shirt off Phil... Makes sense to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I don't like our current goaltending situation any better than anyone else, but I'm not sure that a revolving door from season to season is necessarily the answer, either. How long does UND trudge along before the coaches decide that the current goalie situation is not working. I am sure coach is under a lot of pressure to have a successful team to go with the new arena, but I add we are the Florida State of college hockey (that is not being cocky that is the truth, and of course they have down years too). I also have to admit I am frustrated with the current UND hockey schedule it is brutal and a joke, the reffing has been horrible as well as the goal tending, we haven't had any. But I also must admit that others have not stepped up for gut check time. Ryan Hale, Prpich, Rory have not scored they need to step it up. What happened to James Massen. However, it is impossible for UND to play their game if the refs let less able skating teams (Denver, Mankato, Wisconsin, et al) to clutch, grab and tackle the very skilled players like Parise and Bochenski... You cant skate if a gorilla is inside your jersey with you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I totally agree with Goon on the Ranfranz, Ziggy, Phil concept! Those are 3 outstanding goaltenders. I believe that Ranfranz deserves another year, he has been the best so far this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 You keep forgetting about Sedeve, I think he may be better than Ziggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 You keep forgetting about Sedeve, I think he may be better than Ziggy. At this point no one knows if he will be able to play next season. Lane has been injury prone his whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxrock Posted February 23, 2003 Author Share Posted February 23, 2003 i stated my first succesful topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 You people were either not at the games or just really slow!!! Ranfranz played his heart out for two of his last three awesome games.. Last nights game may not have been a steller performance, but there were many things that contributed to that loss.. Msu is on fire they out skated the Sioux .. They switched up lines leaving MSU a 3 on 1 That one being Ranfranz.. This team has not scored goals because they havent kept the pressure on and they have been getting beat to the puck.. Lots of things went wrong this weakend and anyone who was there would now know the MSU fans are the Biggest pieces of s@*% around.. How rude can you possible be the stories are out there but I saw them first hand..You Have a goalie the issue should be dropped start looking for something else to blame theres plenty out there.. and if you think that the sioux had 51 shots last night your nieve and MSU had a hell of alot more shots on Ranfranz than they gave him credit for both of the last two games.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 and if you think that the sioux had 51 shots last night your nieve and MSU had a hell of alot more shots on Ranfranz than they gave him credit for both of the last two games.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I was at the game, too, and I think the shot count was pretty accurate. The Sioux owned the 3rd period. It got to the point that Mavs fans were cheering when they cleared the zone (5 on 5). I'm a little surprised UND got off 17 in the 2nd because it felt like MSU was getting continuous odd-man rushes, which was the only time I remember thinking they were getting off lots of shots. One thing that may trick people not accustomed to the stats of the game is that MSU fired a lot of pucks to the side of the net, which don't count as shots. As far as criticizing Ranfranz, everyone messes up, and I think he did last night. There were a few ugly rebounds he gave up, at least one of which directly resulted in a goal. MSU had some quality goals, such as the top-shelfer on the two on one; but on the other hand, Jensen made the save on a nearly identical shot on the other side of the rink. You can't necessarily say Ranfranz lost that game, but I also think he didn't do anything to win it. It's nothing personal -- he got the second start because he had a great game on Friday. I just think he didn't play very well Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmidtdoggydog Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I know there are A LOT of Ranfranz supporters on this board, but I was at the game last night and he gave a less than stellar performance. In fact, I thought he played poorly last night and if his play was any indication, UND's goaltending situation is far from resolved. Also, I would agree with one of the earlier posters that the Maverick fans were quite rude. I have never been in an arena anywhere else where opposing fans directed one f-bomb after another at myself and my group of friends simply for wearing UND green and cheering for our team. A Maverick fan posted on USCHO last week that their fans are the best around. Sadly, I do not agree and find that posters statement laughable. I was sitting next to a group of Maverick fans, who were all in their 30's or 40's and every time Mankato scored they taunted us and called us motherf**kers and told us to go back where we came from. After listening to this without comment for two periods, I politely told them when they hang a D1 championship banner or a Final Five championship banner or a WCHA regular season championship banner they could chirp all they wanted, until then they are left to enjoy a regular season victory, which is really nothing to brag about. In another vein, it would be ridiculous to bring in Lamoureux next year simply to redshirt him. What would be the point? By doing that he would be robbed of a whole year of game experience. By remaining in Lincoln and with Ziggy being gone, Phil will be the primary tender there and will likely play 60 games or so. That would be much more beneficial than simply practicing with the Sioux for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I agree that it doesn't make sense to bring Lamoureux in if we can't/won't play him. Let him get some experience on the USHL's dime. Conversely, given the nature of Sedevie's injury, as neck injuries can be dicey, it might not be a bad idea to take a serious look at Ziegelmann for at least a walk-on role. As far as I know, Duluth and CC are also interested. As far as Mankato fans are concerned, there were a group of them who were so elated they "tied" Minnesota in January, they were giving a buddy of mine "overrated" crap because he was wearing a Minnesota hat. This was at Stub's, and they were quickly escorted off the premises. Quite possibly the most classless "fans" in the WCHA, notwithstanding their team's current record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDogsK Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 Please let me apologize for the Mankato fans that were so rude to you. Believe me we are NOT all like that. I don't know if their rudeness comes from the alcohol served or from just plain being ignorant. The team has not had the following it has until now when they are winning and along with the increase brings some idiots. I am not sure what they think they are accomplishing by being that way.---The majority of us have been at every home game and just enjoy watching the game. I know Mankato has been criticized about being a quiet arena, but if this is the way the fans are going to be I will take the quiet anyday.----- I have enjoyed following the Sioux for years and wish you guys luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatspin7 Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 Being a witness at Mankato this weekend I saw a Sioux team play well both nights. The first night they hit the post 3 times and Volp made 2 or 3 jaw dropping saves. You know the ones where you could have sworn you saw the puck go into the net but somehow it appeared in the goalies glove. Ranny played really well and had more than his share of great saves. The game was played about as hard and even as I have ever seen, either team could have one that game, unfortunatly the bounce didnt go our way. On Saturday, the game was decided between the pipes... The Sioux got out to an early start but Ranny let by a couple soft goals, 2 or 3 of them depending on how hard you are on him. Jensen was rock solid. He stoped about every thing that was thrown at him. I dont care how well a team plays if a goalie gives up a few soft goals, and the other guys stops 48 out of 52 you are not going to win. In defence of the Sioux, Mankato was extremely fired up for the series. The Sioux overall played well all weekend and unfortinatly never got the "lucky bounce" that they needed to take the game. I dont think there is the answer to the Sioux goalie question, but what we got now aint doing, Ranny might be the best shot right now but I dont know if he is the solution to the problem at all. There are times at which I am inclined to question Coach Blais' affininty for small goalies but Karl Goering had great sucess despite being on the short side. My adivice would be to comeback next year with some dark horse prospect that no one has heard of and give him a chance to make tracks, it might just be crazy enough to work!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALLEYE Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 SLAPSHOT IS ON THE RIGHT PAGE WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT SEDEVIE. YOU WILL NOT FIND A HARDER WORKING HOCKEY PLAYER ANYWHERE. YOU CAN NOT JUDGE HIM ON HIS NUMBERS (WHICH ARE GOOD) BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE ALOT OF TALENT IN FRONT OF HIM. WHEN A GOALIE HAS TO STOP BREAKAWAY AFTER BREAKAWAY THE ODDS ARE NOT IN THEIR FAVOR. AND AS FAR AS INJURY PRONE GOES I DON'T THINK BEING HURT THREE TIMES = HIS WHOLE CAREER.HE GETS RAN OVER HURTS HIS KNEE FIRST GAME BACK GETS RAN AGAIN HURTS SAME KNEE THAT WASNT 100% YET, NOW GETS TAKEN OUT AGAIN AND PUSHED BACKWARDS INTO CROSSBAR. LET SEE IF YOU CAN STAND IN THERE FOR 3000.00 MIN A YEAR, GET RAN OVER AS MUCH AS HE DOES AND STAY INJURY FREE. HE HAS AN INJURY THAT SHOULD KEEP HIM OUT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR BUT YOU WATCH IF HE HAS IT HIS WAY HE WILL BE BACK FOR THE PLAYOFFS. GIVE HIM A SOLID TEAM IN FRONT OF HIM AND YOU WILL NOT FIND A BETTER GUY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skateshattrick Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 That is encouraging news regarding Sedevie. Jeff Bredahl also assures me that he is very good. On the other hand, it would not hurt to bring in Lamoreaux, not with the idea to redshirt him, but to play him right away. There is no reason to keep all of the current goalies, 2 of which are under scholarship. If Siembeda or Brandt are not part of the long term future, get rid of them now and bring in Lamoreaux or Ziegelmann or anyone else to compete with Sedevie. If Dean Blais has enough confidence in one or both, which does not appear to be the situation, then I agree that Lamoreaux is better off in the USHL. On another note: I know Schmidtdoggydog well, and he is about as easygoing as a person gets. If Mankato fans were riding him, those guys have problems. It also explains the absolutely ridiculous posts on the USCHO board. These guys rival the worst BC fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND95 Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 I had the opportunity to see Sedevie play when he was with the Billings Bulls. Everytime they played Minot, he was in net and played solid. He had one extremely amazing game where he shut Minot out and faces a lot of tough chances down low and a lot of breakaways. I would assume, he has improved more even from then. Minot and Billings also played a seven game playoff series that year and I thought he was the difference for Billings in the wins. Sure, he had his off nights just like every other goalie, but when he had it going, it was tough to get things by him. I hope he can make a complete recovery from his injury and I can't wait to see him for the Sioux, hopefully he can be the next great goaltender to wear the Green and White. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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