Bleed Green Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hey KTF, what's up with the apple? Please explain it to everyone so they can be enlightened...... I'm thinking RED on the outside . . . WHITE on the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowtheFacts Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I'm thinking RED on the outside . . . WHITE on the inside. It's just an apple. I actually had heard that term used for that before, but that has nothing to do with my pic. Interesting that some of you all are so interested in a picture of a fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 It's just an apple. I actually had heard that term used for that before, but that has nothing to do with my pic. Interesting that some of you all are so interested in a picture of a fruit. Riiiight. That's a pretty big coinkidink isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowtheFacts Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Riiiight. That's a pretty big coinkidink isn't it? actually, to be more precise its a McIntosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 actually, to be more precise its a McIntosh Oh, so it's sweet with a tart tang, very juicy , and has tender, white flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowtheFacts Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Oh, so it's sweet with a tart tang, very juicy , and has tender, white flesh. Whatever... I didnt say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7NationalTitles Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Im sure you could find many many other schools that have Indian-related nicknames. UND is one of only a few schools that chose to use a specific Tribal Name. Thus involving those specific tribes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowtheFacts Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Im sure you could find many many other schools that have Indian-related nicknames. UND is one of only a few schools that chose to use a specific Tribal Name. Thus involving those specific tribes. So in that case shouldn't the entire Native American community be against Mandan and not any one specific tribe since they are using the all-encompassing (sp?) Braves name. Under your logic then, there should be more backlash against them because they are trying to group all Native American tribes by using the name Braves. But my question was why isn't there any backlash by the Native American community against their name? You haven't answered that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Im sure you could find many many other schools that have Indian-related nicknames. UND is one of only a few schools that chose to use a specific Tribal Name. Thus involving those specific tribes. There are many many resolutions by all sorts of Indian and Indian-related organizations that are opposed to this kind of nickname. Look around a little bit, it's not hard to find. Did you just do a 180? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowtheFacts Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Did you just do a 180? No, 7nationaltitles is talking about 2 different things. 1. the Fighting Sioux nickname 2. the Mandan Braves nickname I think the question is: Why arent there resolutions against the Mandan Braves nickname? Im saying that there are. and even if you dont agree with what is said on these websites, they do provide documentation of some of those resolutions: the UND BRIDGES website and www.aistm.org Im also said that the Sioux tribal resolutions that Im talking about are specific for UND and the Fighting Sioux nickname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 No, 7nationaltitles is talking about 2 different things. It's not two different things. But what you said was that UND is after a specific tribe and Mandan is a Native American term. You inferred that Mandan was different that UND...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jloos Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 My father's paternal grandparents emigrated to Grafton via Iceland, and his maternal grandparents emigrated to Grafton via Norway. My mother's maternal grandparents emigrated to Iowa via Norway. Nobody in my family tree was in the US before about 1920, and did not steal any land (or anything else for that matter). Do you people not see how contradictory you are? You demand everyone thinks like you, and stereotype everyone who does not. At the same time you preach about how respective of others you are. The entire anti-name thing is just something for the elitist leftists at UND to whine about. Those opposed to the name are a tiny minority mostly made up of professors who are over-paid and under-worked. People like GrahmKracker I actually have some respect for. I disagree with him, but at least he is Native and obviously knows the issues. The others against the name, on this board and elsewhere, are obviously worthless socialists who will live their entire lives living off the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THETRIOUXPER Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 If gk and ktf were as concerned about this issue as they claim to be, they wouldn't painstakingly seperate themselves from the name change movement as a whole, ie. they would be concerned with other institutions as well. Aren't these "alleged atrocities" affecting all native americans. Someone has pointed it out before, but it seems to me that gk, and ktf have more of an axe to grind with UND specifically. My point is, if they really wanted a change for the better, they would be more concerned with the issue nationwide, changing one name isn't going to help the plight of native americans elsewhere. It just goes to show just how selfish they really are, and they wonder why their credibility is almost zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxPride0303 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 The whole debate is so tiring. I've been reading on here for months about the same stuff. The logic that people should be held accountable and continually berated for their ancestors actions is ridiculous. As a German I should be responsible for all the Jews, gypsies, homosexuals and others that the German population ostracized and executed 60 years ago?? As a gypsy I should be up in arms over how my people were treated 60 years ago by the Germans?? I have other things to direct my passion and attention toward...educating my future children about hate and racism and acceptance of all people. The past is in the past for a reason...learn from it so its not repeated but dont use it as a crutch and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 As a German I should be ... ... protesting the University of Idaho and it's "Vandals" moniker. Van-dal (noun): 2. A member of a Germanic people that overran Gaul, Spain, and northern Africa in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. and sacked Rome in 455. (Definition from http://www.answers.com/topic/vandal ) You're a mascot and should be offended. Here's a history of your people. You'll be able to protest locally in Fargo as NDSU plays Idaho in hoop this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxPride0303 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 ... protesting the University of Idaho and it's "Vandals" moniker. Van-dal (noun): 2. A member of a Germanic people that overran Gaul, Spain, and northern Africa in the fourth and fifth centuries A.D. and sacked Rome in 455. (Definition from http://www.answers.com/topic/vandal ) You're a mascot and should be offended. Here's a history of your people. You'll be able to protest locally in Fargo as NDSU plays Idaho in hoop this season. I'm booking the first flight home. What's this lying around sh**!!?? Come to think of it, I'm going to start protesting the recording industry for the song "Bohemian Rhapsody." After all, Queen had no right use my family's heritage to promote his music. And that Mike Myers and Dana Carvey...I'm going after them too. How dare they? I ask you...how dare they head bang in unison? Galileo, figaro, magnifico...how insulting...what gibberish...what an outrage..what a scandal. I'm writing a strongly worded letter to my congressman. With big words...and...and...big words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakotadan Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I'm writing a strongly worded letter to my congressman. With big words...and...and...big words... Don't forget to use UND letterhead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 actually, to be more precise its a McIntosh Love these inside jokes especially when DaPointes are so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamKracker Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Go Google the words "The University of North Dakota". OH MY GAWD!!!!! Look at the first response: The University of North Dakota | Grand Forks, North Dakota Home of the Fighting Sioux, The University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, North Dakota, invites you to learn more about the campus. Looks like your "conspiracy theory" on the University hiding the nickname, is unfounded. Maybe you should have done more homework before you came to Grand Forks. What did that take me like .04 seconds? I said a "tribal college journal" not google. Hell, anyone can google anything, I mean I can find the most random things like Massage parlors in the middle of ND if I wanted to. ("Massage", so they say, when I was in Thailand....well......lets say that a massage isn't the only thing on the menu, lol). If you think you are so damn righteous, look in a "tribal college journal", not google. And as for google, try this because I thinks its absolutely nuts. First, under images, type in "Sioux", you'll notice mostly Indians or indian related stuff. Now, under images, type in "Fighting Sioux".......all white people, or the dead indian head. How ironic is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hell, anyone can google anything Yeah.... that is EXACTLY my point. Thank you for proving it. *golf claps* As for massage "parlors" had you done any research at all you would also know that when they began in the United States, they also had "more on the menu" but you are not "true massage" so you do not know this, the massage industry will not let someone else's opinion of it keep it down, and you don't know anything about the history or the culture, you're just a wannabe. Oh Oh oh oh oh OH! Wait. You made a GREAT point GK. See, the massage industry has taken a negative stereotype of itself- what people used to think that massage was-and learned that it shouldn't let that negative stereotype keep it down, or keep it from succeeding, because it really is a much needed asset to people......maybe you should take some lessons from the massage industry. I mean, really, have you ever heard a massage therapist carry on the way that you do because we feel that we are negatively stereotyped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamKracker Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Yeah.... that is EXACTLY my point. Thank you for proving it. *golf claps* As for massage "parlors" had you done any research at all you would also know that when they began in the United States, they also had "more on the menu" but you are not "true massage" so you do not know this, the massage industry will not let someone else's opinion of it keep it down, and you don't know anything about the history or the culture, you're just a wannabe. Oh Oh oh oh oh OH! Wait. You made a GREAT point GK. See, the massage industry has taken a negative stereotype of itself- what people used to think that massage was-and learned that it shouldn't let that negative stereotype keep it down, or keep it from succeeding, because it really is a much needed asset to people......maybe you should take some lessons from the massage industry. I mean, really, have you ever heard a massage therapist carry on the way that you do because we feel that we are negatively stereotyped? Blahblahblahblah...... Did you pick up a Tribal college magazine yet? Probably not. Keep to the subject. As for massage parlors, it was only an example of information you can find on google. You'd be surprised what you can find on google ;-) As for UND and how they recruit Natives, they NEVER mention the FS BS in ANY of their literature or ads targeting Indian country. Gee, I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 You'd be surprised what you can find on google ;-) Yeah, things like letters people write to the NCAA.......about pins and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I mean I can find the most random things like Massage parlors in the middle of ND if I wanted to. ("Massage", so they say, when I was in Thailand....well......lets say that a massage isn't the only thing on the menu, lol). Goes ad hominem.. (Thanks Sicatoka) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 As for UND and how they recruit Natives, they NEVER mention the FS BS in ANY of their literature or ads targeting Indian country. Gee, I wonder why? I'm sure they are hoping to keep it secret.... somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
administrator Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 This hasn't been about the nickname in at least a page and a half now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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