Media Stories on the Sioux Name

[Goon]

http://www.uscho.com/news/2005/09/04_010709.php

This is a perfect example of what happens when you let liberalism go unchecked.

This is straight from the pro name change/P.C. crowds play book. Whats Chris Lerch from the East Coast?

Now North Dakota has thrown down, obviously emboldened by FSU's whining and the NCAA's almost immediate capitulation.

If you're going to make a bold, progressive move, and God knows the NCAA needs to make more of those, then don't back right down in the face of resistance. Send Chief Osceola, the "Fighting Sioux" and the rest to the scrap heap of history where they belong, right next to Little Black Sambo, minstrel shows, and other racist symbols and imagery that, gradually over time, we've figured out are just plain wrong.

Engelstad, the late crackpot billionaire casino owner, had been sanctioned and fined by the Nevada Gaming Commission for promoting a huge collection of Nazi memorabilia and for holding birthday parties for Hitler, complete with a painting of Engelstad in a Nazi uniform, and t-shirts with Hitler's picture and the caption "Adolf Hitler

Edited September 8, 2005 by Goon

[PCM]

Whats Chris Lerch from the East Coast?

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Rochester, NY. He covers Division III hockey for USCHO.

[kfah1]

Rochester, NY. He covers Division III hockey for USCHO.

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Pthhhhf... Division III. Certainly not like Division I. Does he have little man syndrome or penis envy? Is that why he's so bitter?

(Easy... just a joke...)

[SiouxMeNow]

In their unending quest not to let IRONY or their own POLICIES stand in the way of corporate sponsorship $$$ -- here's a recent press release from the NC$$...

NCAA Homepage

PCM can correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Pontiac an Indian??

and by this, quite a "hostile and abusive" one to boot

Chief Pontiac

[choyt3]

Leigh Jeonotte on Fox News at 9 tonight: (paraphrasing)

"UND really does try to use the name respectfully. There is just no policy in place for incidents. No policy in place for people that are disrespectful."

I only heard this once, so if anyone else saw it, please correct my attempt. Key words, which I couldn't believe he said, are in bold.

Also mentioned in the story was that the issue again was discussed today in Bismarck and that the Sioux nickname is disrespectful because it means "snake".

[choyt3]

In their unending quest not to let IRONY or their own POLICIES stand in the way of corporate sponsorship $$$ -- here's a recent press release from the NC$$...

NCAA Homepage

PCM can correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Pontiac an Indian??  

and by this, quite a "hostile and abusive" one to boot  

Chief Pontiac

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Great find... Don't you usually wait until well after midnight to post?

[UND92,96]

Leigh Jeonotte on Fox News at 9 tonight: (paraphrasing)

"UND really does try to use the name respectfully. There is just no policy in place for incidents. No policy in place for people that are disrespectful."

I only heard this once, so if anyone else saw it, please correct my attempt. Key words, which I couldn't believe he said, are in bold.

Also mentioned in the story was that the issue again was discussed today in Bismarck and that the Sioux nickname is disrespectful because it means "snake".

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I believe he said it because he said virtually the identical thing to my wife (who was friends with his daughter in high school) in a conversation about 4-5 years ago. However, based upon his rhetoric of recent years, I'm surprised he's still willing to acknowledge that UND does virtually everything possible to ensure that the name and logo are used in a respectful manner.

[PCM]

PCM can correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Pontiac an Indian??  

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I thought he was a car.

I noticed that NCAA news release last night and posted a link to it on the USCHO board. Nobody commented on it over there, so I figured that they didn't think it was as ironic as I did.

[SiouxMeNow]

[redwing77]

[PCM]

From the News-Gazette (IL) Online:

Speakers ask board to get rid of Chief

The director of the American Indian studies program at the University of Illinois chided UI trustees today for failing to make progress toward retiring Chief Illiniwek.

  Wanda Pillow, who first addressed the board a year ago, said board resolutions promised to consult with American Indians on the issue, but none of the trustees has contacted her program or the Native American House for input.

UI sophomore Bess Van Asselt said "hostile and abusive" captures the treatment she received from fellow students after posting an anti-Chief sign on her dorm-room door last year.

"Many girls gave me cold stares, questioned me and used my door as a place for public comment. Drunk boys tore down my placards and banged on my door at night," she said. "Whenever I was at a campus bar and the Chief came up, people would yell at me. Does this constitute a hostile environment for students on campus? I think so."

From PJStar.com:

Mascot a Chief concern for Illinois

Chief Illiniwek made a season-opening appearance at Memorial Stadium last weekend and will do his thing Saturday when Illinois hosts San Jose State.

But his long-term future remains in question. The university's Board of Trustees will vote today on a resolution that would force the U of I to consider the best interest of its athletic programs rather than attempt to preserve the Chief as a symbol.

From the Petoskey News-Review:

CMU's 'Chips'off 'hostile' list

In fact, FSU was the first to appeal, and if the NCAA is going to roll over on the Seminoles, the rest of the schools should get a pass, too.

The Seminoles cheerleader is a white male, war-painted Chief Osceola, never mind the fact Seminoles never used war paint. If that can fly in the NCAA's estimation as not being hostile or abusive, they should be out of luck with the other schools as well.

[PCM]

From the Lexington Herald-Leader:

Trustees add guideline for resolving Illiniwek debate

The University of Illinois board of trustees on Thursday added to its guidelines for resolving the debate over Chief Illiniwek but took no action on the future of the contentious mascot.

The new guideline says the board should "recognize the university's goals of having high integrity athletic programs, winning teams and athletes who are successful students and who have the opportunity to compete at the highest levels."

[Diggler]

How the hell does that resolve anything? It doesn't have anything to do with the Chief.

[PCM]

How the hell does that resolve anything?  It doesn't have anything to do with the Chief.

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That's what I was thinking. But it sure does sound nice, doesn't it?

[SiouxMeNow]

the differences in all of these appeals can be broken down into a mathmatical equation....

DI SCHOOL + any excuse + $$$$$$$$=REMOVED FROM THE LIST

DII School + less $$$ importance to the NC$$ + ANY EXCUSE=EXAMPLE

UND will have a good case in a court of law...and they need to bring other smaller schools on to make it class action. I'd also sue the NCAA for damages - but that's just me

[HockeyMom]

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm...59&section=news

Majority in N.D. support

[jimdahl]

Kupchella meets with Spirit Lake tribal leaders

Kupchella said the that tribal members told him that they fully realized a presentation by opponents of the UND monikers at an Aug. 30 tribal general assembly in Fort Totten was "one-sided" and that they wanted to hear all sides of the story.

[jimdahl]

UND President downplays logo issue

"The fact is most Caucasians, most American Indians, don't have much time for this issue at all,"Kupchella said. "They don't think it's really important when you look at things like unemployment, the need for economic development, health care needs, education, methamphetamines - all the big issues of the day - this one pales and shrinks almost to nothing in comparison."

Tex Hall, chairman of the Three Affiliated Tribes, said Kupchella and the Board of Higher Education should have had formal consultations with the tribes before asking the NCAAfor an exemption.

Hall said the tribes were involved in discussions about the logo in 1999, but all deals were off after Ralph Engelstad threatened to pull funding from the multimillion-dollar Engelstad Arena if the nickname and logo was changed.

Kupchella said about $12 million is spent annually on programs and initiatives that benefit American Indians at UND. Some of the initiatives include a full-time person to recruit American Indian students nationwide, and a program that encourages middle-school students to become doctors and other professionals. UNDalso spends about $500,000 a year in tuition waivers for American Indians.

Kupchella was asked if the university would maintain as strong of programs for American Indians if the nickname and logo were changed, and he said it would.

[PCM]

This is is the Associated Press version of the Forum's poll story, but I'm posting the link just to show that it's already attracting attention around the country, and especially in Indiana.

[redwing77]

This is is the Associated Press version of the Forum's poll story, but I'm posting the link just to show that it's already attracting attention around the country, and especially in Indiana.

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It's a good read however, I do wish they had polled more Native Americans.

Edited September 9, 2005 by redwing77

[Diggler]

It's a good read however, I do wish they had polled more Native Americans.

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The poll sample would have been skewed had the done that. It was based on North Dakota demographics. If they would've asked more Native Americans, it would've messed up those demographics.. They would have had to ask more people overall and then you still have the same relative problem. As it is, it was a scientifically valid poll. People don't understand that you don't need to ask 6 zillion people for a poll to be very accurate. 605 is enough.

[ESPNInsider]

It's a good read however, I do wish they had polled more Native Americans.

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That's the problem I have with that poll too. Would be great if they had responses from more people. Just not enough people to say that it's legit.

I'm thinking that it is probably pretty representative though.

[PCM]

One aspect of the poll I wonder about is how different the results might be if it wasn't conducted in the middle of a big controversy about the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

[PCM]

Sept. 9, 2005

From the News-Gazette (IL) Online:

UI likely to appeal NCAA policy

The University of Illinois will likely appeal a new NCAA policy curtailing postseason competition by schools using American Indian imagery, though no final decision has been made, a top UI official says.

The board of trustees will make that decision, in consultation with top school administrators, board Chairman Lawrence Eppley said Thursday.

"The appeal is likely, but we need to understand more fully what and how," he said.

[PCM]

From the 9/7/05 Achorage Daily News:

Aniak residents stand fully by their Halfbreed mascot

The NCAA would have its hands full if it regulated Alaska high schools.

There are seven teams nicknamed Warriors and three known as Braves. Kokhanok teams are the Warlords. And then there's Aniak.

Students from the Kuskokwim River village march proudly onto the basketball court and the cross-country course as the Halfbreeds.

Aniak High students sporting Halfbreeds T-shirts