nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Can't run with the idealized perception forever. Eventually reality sets in. Like we all know, right now NDSU has as good of a perception bs UND as they will ever have again. Please translate....
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 "Vs" Maybe, maybe not. In any case scheduling UND isn't helpful to NDSU. So why do it?
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 And UND isn't? You are worried about losing aren't you. Holy crap Darell! You must be a genius! I have only stated on here a dozen times today that yes, I am worried about the effects of football at NDSU from losing this game and also my feelings that this represents the majority of the NDSU fan base as to why they don't want to play UND. Very confident NDSU will win. I feel there is no reward to the risk.
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Relevance? WSU is worse than UND but you have no problem scheduling them. UND has at least beaten ranked teams in the last 5 years. I think Weber has about 5 wins in the last 5 years.
geaux_sioux Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Maybe, maybe not. In any case scheduling UND isn't helpful to NDSU. So why do it? Because it helps UND immeasurably
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 WSU is worse than UND but you have no problem scheduling them. UND has at least beaten ranked teams in the last 5 years. I think Weber has about 5 wins in the last 5 years. Taylor was in good graces with the AD for Weber giving us a home and home when we were in transition which is part of why he did it. I remember listening him saying this to McFooly on KFGO after he announced the game.
82SiouxGuy Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 I wouldn't consider not scheduling an OOC game with a team that has zero significant DI wins to be "running." If that's what you mean. Not scheduling a game against a 100 year rival, located 70 miles away, in the same state, when you play at the same level of competition with equal scholarships would be considered "running".
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Holy crap Darell! You must be a genius! I have only stated on here a dozen times today that yes, I am worried about the effects of football at NDSU from losing this game and also my feelings that this represents the majority of the NDSU fan base as to why they don't want to play UND. I know I just like hearing you say that you're worried.
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Because it helps UND immeasurably I think the most unobjective UND fan out there would admit that there would be few things that could help UND out quicker than beating NDSU and gaining a foothold on recruiting in this region. This game has the chance to help UND immensely. I bet even Darell would be willing to say this.
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 I know I just like hearing you say that you're worried. I am not scared of playing UND the football team. In 2015 they will be horseshit again, although better than 2014. I am scared about the possible risks of playing UND the football program, who recruits against NDSU on 99% of the regional players and who could severely impact the future success of NDSU in the recruiting area with a win. No problem at all Darell saying this. I speak the truth rather than hiding how I really feel. Ask any honest Bison fan and they will tell you too.
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 I am not scared of playing UND the football team. In 2015 they will be horseshit again, although better than 2014. I am scared about the possible risks of playing UND the football program, who recruits against NDSU on 99% of the regional players and who could severely impact the future success of NDSU in the recruiting area with a win. No problem at all Darell saying this. I speak the truth rather than hiding how I really feel. 3 time FCS champs is worried about recruiting against 3 win UND?
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 WSU is worse than UND but you have no problem scheduling them. UND has at least beaten ranked teams in the last 5 years. I think Weber has about 5 wins in the last 5 years. So? NDSU schedules who it wants. It happens that Weber helped NDSU during its transition and UND did not.
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 3 time FCS champs is worried about recruiting against 3 win UND? The 8 time National Champion NDSU had this happen to them in 1993.
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 So? NDSU schedules who it wants. It happens that Weber helped NDSU during its transition and UND did not. Maybe because Weber was already DI? Also USD didn't help you but you were quick in scheduling a 2 for 1 with them. Funny how that goes.
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 The 8 time National Champion NDSU had this happen to them in 1993. So the seniors in that game was recruited in 1989 or 1990, didn't NDSU win a NC in that year? So UND outrecruited you during your NC run in 1990?
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Maybe because Weber was already DI? Also USD didn't help you but you were quick in scheduling a 2 for 1 with them. Funny how that goes. Did NDSU even offer USD a continued home and home agreement? Didn't recall that ever happening. You know why? Because it didn't.
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 So the seniors in that game was recruited in 1989 or 1990, didn't NDSU win a NC in that year? So UND outrecruited you during your NC run in 1990? No but from 1994 through 2002 they were pretty successful. Talent pool was split.
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Because it helps UND immeasurably And that itself is sufficient reason for NDSU to not schedule the game. Turnabout is fair play.
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Did NDSU even offer USD a continued home and home agreement? Didn't recall that ever happening. You know why? Because it didn't. Funny how NDSU kept changing the terms of the h/h with Faison and at the same time USD, SDSU and Montana had no problem scheduling a h/h with UND. Guess their AD was never a dick like GT was.
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 And that itself is sufficient reason for NDSU to not schedule the game. Turnabout is fair play. UND's recruiting area is also shared by SDSU, and USD and they didn't cry like babies in scheduling UND.
Redneksioux Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 So? NDSU schedules who it wants. It happens that Weber helped NDSU during its transition and UND did not. Really? After scheduling und....did you watch their press conference? Or was the public library's Internet access down?
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Funny how NDSU kept changing the terms of the h/h with Faison and at the same time USD, SDSU and Montana had no problem scheduling a h/h with UND. Guess their AD was never a dick like GT was. One more time and after I am done arguing this with you. You can't argue with someone who has no idea what they are arguing about. 2003 and 2004 GT BEGGED UND for a game. RT said no. 2005 no offered game. Starting in 2006 NDSU starts building this machine and beating FBS teams. UND comes knocking on the door, after thumbing their noses at NDSU and trying to burry us, and you think GT should just be all cherry and accept it? Before GT ever changed the terms, or however you see it, there was a gigantic arrogant dick named Roger Thomas who ruined this rivalry. We would not even be here discussing this today had Roger Thomas kept the rivalry game alive.
82SiouxGuy Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 No but from 1994 through 2002 they were pretty successful. Talent pool was split. Older NDSU fans will explain to you that UND caught up because Division II would only let NDSU have 36 scholarships. They couldn't stockpile players anymore. Suddenly they had to play by the same rules as everyone else, and that wouldn't let them dominate any more. That was unfair to NDSU in the minds of your fellow NDSU fans.
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Maybe because Weber was already DI? Also USD didn't help you but you were quick in scheduling a 2 for 1 with them. Funny how that goes. Again, what's the point? NDSU scheduled USD because doing was in its best interest. NDSU schedules who it wants to schedule and does not owe you, or anyone else, an explanation.
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