bincitysioux Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 The Summit is head and shoulders above the BSC. Just look at the RPI. You also lost to SDSU and NDSU beat them twice. Better team (NDSU) , coach and season - no question about it. Meh.......... I'd put the top 4 teams from the Big Sky against the top 4 teams from the Summit any day. Big Sky won head to head against the Summit. Both leagues amassed a whopping two wins each against top 50 RPI teams, and of those 4 games in which a Top 50 RPI team went down against either conference, it was NDSU 3 times! The truth is that the Summit is very top heavy. The Big Sky is much more competetive throughout. The Summit gets an inflated RPI comparatively to the Big Sky because the Big Sky has many more members, and plays many more conference games against one another. Summit teams are able to load up on more non conference against decent teams and that is where the RPI moves up and down. RPI doesn't move much for anyone once conference play starts. But NDSU did have a wonderful season, and congrats to your favorite squad on winning their tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FargoBison Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 NDSU has as many non-conference top 150 wins as your entire conference has. Face it the Big Sky is horrible this year. Even the Summit's cellar dweller IUPUI had a top 150 non-conference win, heck they even beat an MVC team on the road on top of that. The Big Sky will probably bounce back next year I'm sure, it is usually a decent league with a couple of really solid teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 The truth is that the Summit is very top heavy. The Big Sky is much more competetive throughout. The Summit gets an inflated RPI comparatively to the Big Sky because the Big Sky has many more members, and plays many more conference games against one another. The Summit has a better RPI because it had a much better non-conf record and non-conf RPI. If the Big Sky had not done so poorly in non-conf, playing so many conference games would not hurt their RPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 This argument is ridiculous. NDSU is in the dance...again. UND has a 50/50 shot of beating Sac St. If a win over SU before Christmas gives some of you UND apologists the 4 hr Cialis effect........... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Yeah but the Big Sky's cellar dwellar used to be a middle-of-the-pack Summit team. If the Big Sky is so horrible, isn't it surprising that they won the head-to-head match ups with the Summit? Maybe the Summit is not as great as you think. Again, congrats to your favorite team on an impressive season. It must be very exciting. Thank you to you and Bison Dan for instinctively coming here to criticize a conference of which you are not a member on the heels of one of the most historic nights in Bison history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Yeah but the Big Sky's cellar dwellar used to be a middle-of-the-pack Summit team. If the Big Sky is so horrible, isn't it surprising that they won the head-to-head match ups with the Summit? Maybe the Summit is not as great as you think. Again, congrats to your favorite team on an impressive season. It must be very exciting. Thank you to you and Bison Dan for instinctively coming here to criticize a conference of which you are not a member on the heels of one of the most historic nights in Bison history. The Big Sky historically has teams like Weber St and Montana that just reload. Other Big Sky schools never get loaded, except maybe Portland St and UND and UNC. Idaho St and Montana St and Sac St never seem to be up. The Summit has one and done and then rebuild for 3 yrs schools like NDSU. The only Summit schools that seemed to be good every year were Valpo and Oakland and Oral Roberts, and they left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FargoBison Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Yeah but the Big Sky's cellar dwellar used to be a middle-of-the-pack Summit team. If the Big Sky is so horrible, isn't it surprising that they won the head-to-head match ups with the Summit? Maybe the Summit is not as great as you think. Again, congrats to your favorite team on an impressive season. It must be very exciting. Thank you to you and Bison Dan for instinctively coming here to criticize a conference of which you are not a member on the heels of one of the most historic nights in Bison history. Three games isn't really meaningful. That said, the Summit is what it is, an average basketball conference. The Big Sky is what it is this year, not good. That said at least for UND that means the conference tournament is wide open, Weber has been struggling mightily. The opportunity is there for any team to get hot and take the autobid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Jim Nantz: "...and it's a final! The North Dakota State Bison are on their way to the Final Four after beating Duke 63-61! Unbelievable!" SiouxSports.com: "Wait a second...we beat NDSU! We're better!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Three games isn't really meaningful. That said, the Summit is what it is, an average basketball conference. The Big Sky is what it is this year, not good. That said at least for UND that means the conference tournament is wide open, Weber has been struggling mightily. The opportunity is there for any team to get hot and take the autobid. Nice of you to point out that UND only has a chance to win because Weber is struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I think that the Presidents of Slummit schools know that they have to get better to get out of the Slummit, so those Presidents hire and fire coaches more to get results. USD just fired its BB coach. Most Big Sky schools don't have anywhere to go. Basketball in the Big Sky is secondary to football. The Big West is no different than the Big Sky (most Big West schools can't leave even if they wanted to), and except for Long Beach St and maybe Fullerton and UCSB and maybe UC Irvine, the Big West doesn't produce many winners. (Last real winners from the Big West were UNLV, Nevada, and Utah St, and they all graduated to the MWC.) In the Slummit, a school has to win to get out of that forsaken league. If they didn't win, they can chose the WAC to get out, like perennial bottom feeder UMKC (and even arguably Chicago St). The Slummit is a beginners league, and schools leave on average about one every year. Slummit schools are hungrier to get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Jim Nantz: "...and it's a final! The North Dakota State Bison are on their way to the Final Four after beating Duke 63-61! Unbelievable!" SiouxSports.com: "Wait a second...we beat NDSU! We're better!" Can you STFU already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can you STFU already? Hahaha.............. We "fire Hak" for not winning NCs...but the bronze statue of Jones is soon to be unveiled in front of the Betty for beating SU this year and having a career .500+ winning %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 How bout this......beat a Big 10 or Big East team, get to the dance or for starters don't get bent over by Sac St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hahaha.............. We "fire Hak" for not winning NCs...but the bronze statue of Jones is soon to be unveiled in front of the Betty for beating SU this year and having a career .500+ winning %. ^^^^^^this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sadly, sometimes the only thing worse than an NDSU fan is a UND Hockey fan.......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hahaha.............. We "fire Hak" for not winning NCs...but the bronze statue of Jones is soon to be unveiled in front of the Betty for beating SU this year and having a career .500+ winning %. I believe there is a similar thread about Jones. People just dont think NDSU is that great considering the result fron Nov. Has nothing to do with Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sadly, sometimes the only thing worse than an NDSU fan is a UND Hockey fan.......... About it. They demand great...I mean goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sadly, sometimes the only thing worse than an NDSU fan is a UND Hockey fan.......... Or a UND FB or MBB apologist........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Or a UND FB or MBB apologist........ There is 12 pages about Firing Jones. There arent many apologists out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Glad to hear our upper crust BS MBB team that hasn't won a meaningful game or made the dance is worthy of such chest thumping. "BS better than Summit. We beat SU. Blah blah blah........" Goodness is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndsubison1 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Great win for the Bison, congrats to them! But we have a completely different situation. If you watched UND and SU play head to head, there was no question as to who the better team was, UND lead the entire game, and won by 20. However, Weber State has a great basketball team, and it's quite safe to say that they would be heavy favorites in the Summit League just like they are in the Big Sky. I would love to see UND make it to the tournament, and believe that they have a chance if they play their best basketball, but I also believe that the top end of the Big Sky is better than the top end of the Summit League so UND has a taller task than NDSU did. Just my opinion. In November. Not now. Und has had a decent season and kudos to them for getting the 2 seed and they have a shot at winning the tournament, but NDSU is the better team. 2nd bolded part I also completely disagree with. Most experts would too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Glad to hear our upper crust BS MBB team that hasn't won a meaningful game or made the dance is worthy of such chest thumping. "BS better than Summit. We beat SU. Blah blah blah........" Goodness is right. And who is thumping their chest? All we've said is UND has a legitimate shot of advancing through the conference tournament. The season could also be over my 4:00 tomorrow. They are inconsistent and frustrating at times, and they are great at times. It was a bumpy season, but at the end of the day, they finished 2nd in the conference, right where most people thought they would. I'm pretty sure every person here that follows the basketball program would trade the win against FU for a berth in the NCAA tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndsubison1 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 As far as the regular season, UND finished 2nd in a larger and better balanced conference. NDSU did win their conference. I would say those two situations sort of balance out. Now that NDSU is in the dance, UND needs to make the dance to hold service with NDSU. They played totally different schedules during the year. But as far as who is the better team, NDSU had a chance to prove that and they got hammered by UND when they played. That pretty much decided that unless they meet again in the tourney. Hopefully we will meet again. By some of the logic here.... Belmont and UAB are better than North Carolina. Boston College is better than Syracuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 All we've said is UND has a legitimate shot of advancing through the conference tournament. The season could also be over my 4:00 tomorrow. They are inconsistent and frustrating at times, and they are great at times. It was a bumpy season, but at the end of the day, they finished 2nd in the conference, right where most people thought they would. 2nd place regular season finish in a non-auto bid conference gets you what?? I hope they string it together to get a NCAA spot...it is a possibility I just struggle listening to fellow UND supports rail on SU cause "we beat them" and the Summit sucks and........ 2 dance appearance in last 5-6 years...impressive. Until this program under Jones does something...anything I think we, UND supporters, should drop all stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can you STFU already? Great rebuttal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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