DamStrait Posted January 11, 2004 Posted January 11, 2004 BTW, we have it on good authority (Suze) that UAA does not play clutch and grab. Suze wouldn't know crap if she stepped in it. She claimed "UND didn't earn it on the ice" last night, or some such drivel. If UND and UAA had traded shot charts, no doubt she'd be whining incessantly how UAA totally outplayed UND, but UND lucked out and got the tie. Anybody that watched (or even listened to, for that matter) last night's game and concluded anything other than UND dominated and only a fantastic performance by UAA's goaltender King saved their sorry butts is completely clueless. Suze needs to avoid commenting on hockey and find some other hobby in which she can at least not be totally inept. Could and has UND played better? Without a doubt, but they still played pretty darn well and with lots of effort. Zach and Jonesy are studs of the first order. Murray also had a strong game and Stafford almost scored an amazing goal from his knees. Quote
UND95 Posted January 11, 2004 Posted January 11, 2004 Murray also had a strong game and Stafford almost scored an amazing goal from his knees. That play by Stafford was amazing, not only did he almost score from his knees, but he managed to deke by the D man on his knees as well. Heck of a play. Quote
Goon Posted January 11, 2004 Posted January 11, 2004 Suze wouldn't know crap if she stepped in it. She claimed "UND didn't earn it on the ice" last night, or some such drivel. Suze (he or She) has no idea about hockey. UND dominated the game but didn't have any of the breaks go their way. Quote
SiouxFanInBoston Posted January 11, 2004 Posted January 11, 2004 Here's couple quotes from today's Boston Globe about the World Jr.'s, Zach and the Boston Bruins' choices during last year's draft. Rookie mistake Great to see the Yanks, with Bruins prospect Mark Stuart on the blue line, pocket their first World Junior Championship gold medal last week in Finland. But sure was a tough way for Penguins prospect Marc-Andre Fleury to head back to the workaday world. Fleury, at one point working with a two-goal lead, watched his clearing attempt ricochet off his own defenseman, Braydon Coburn, and slide into the net for an own goal (shades of the Steve Smith rearboard bank shot off Grant Fuhr's leg). Only six weeks into the NHL season, Fleury was being heralded as Rookie of the Year stuff. Now he has an icy block of Canadian shame on his shoulders . . .The US' Zach Parise, selected 17th overall by the Devils in the June draft, was the WJC tournament's most valuable player. A University of North Dakota sophomore center, there is no telling how his game will translate in the NHL, but right now it looks as if the Devils have made yet another draft-day steal. The Bruins had the No. 16 pick in the draft, and could have used it on Parise, but elected to flip the pick to San Jose for choices 21, 66, and 107. They used No. 21 on Stuart. If Parise turns into an impact forward, Stuart will have to be a No. 1 or 2 defenseman for the inevitable "what-ifs" not to follow him around for his career . . . Quote
A.B.T.G. Posted January 11, 2004 Author Posted January 11, 2004 Hey! A.B.T.G. You stole my avatar! How Dare You!!!! It's ok...it's just so hard to get mad at fellow Avs fans.  Sorry. I would post the Nordiques (as I am an old school Nords fan), but I can't find a link that allows me to post an avatar. Once I do I will update and give you sole claim on the Avs.... Quote
SiouxMeNow Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I talked with Dean while Zach was away at the Juniors and he was SERIOUSLY CONCERNED Zach would get a call from NJ based on his performance in Finland...clearly there's a some concern among the coaches about him getting "the call". I didn't have a lot of doubt about Zach coming back but If UND wins a championship this year...what else does he have to accomplish at the college/world junior level? He might like to hang around another year to play with Brady but be serious....he'll need a college degree like Jim Archibald needed sensitivity training...just remember...Zach is a real credit to UND and college hockey in general. We have been privileged to watch him for two years at least and if he doesn't come back...he'll always have ties to the best college hockey program in the US. That can't hurt!! Quote
Goon Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I talked with Dean while Zach was away at the Juniors and he was SERIOUSLY CONCERNED Zach would get a call from NJ based on his performance in Finland...clearly there's a some concern among the coaches about him getting "the call". I didn't have a lot of doubt about Zach coming back but If UND wins a championship this year...what else does he have to accomplish at the college/world junior level? He might like to hang around another year to play with Brady but be serious....he'll need a college degree like Jim Archibald needed sensitivity training...just remember...Zach is a real credit to UND and college hockey in general. We have been privileged to watch him for two years at least and if he doesn't come back...he'll always have ties to the best college hockey program in the US. That can't hurt!! What good does it do to sign a contract if there is a labor disagreement and the NHL is not playing? From what I am reading the players and owners are miles apart. Quote
sagard Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Zach would have at least a million reasons to sign a contract. It certainly doesn't mean he will. If the NHL isn't playing next season, New Jersey will probably not extend an offer unless Zach really pushes them to do so. I think the choice (and it should) will come down to whether or not Zach feels like he can improve with another year in Grand Forks. As much as I'd love to see the college game keep it's best underclassmen, I don't want a failing NHL to be the reason. Quote
airmail Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Will Zach sign with Devils after this season? If the holding penalties keep drawing blood, I imagine he'll leave. Quote
roper1313 Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Zach would have at least a million reasons to sign a contract. It certainly doesn't mean he will. If the NHL isn't playing next season, New Jersey will probably not extend an offer unless Zach really pushes them to do so. I think the choice (and it should) will come down to whether or not Zach feels like he can improve with another year in Grand Forks. As much as I'd love to see the college game keep it's best underclassmen, I don't want a failing NHL to be the reason. Maybe someone can help me understand this NHL CBA issue. Sagard, are the millions of reasons Zachs potential signing bonus, because if I understand this issue correctly the players will be without a paycheck as long as the NHL is locked out. Am I correct on this? I remember the NHLPA's head mention that he warned all NHL players to plan on not having a paycheck for next year. I think he was on PA and Dubay last fall. Thanks for the help. Quote
sagard Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Yes the millions I was referring to was the signing bonus. I don't think New Jersey will be pushing to sign Zach, they seem happy to let their players fully mature at the college level. The final decision will be made by Zach, if he decides he can improve his game at UND in '04-'05, I think he will return. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 It takes two to make a deal: - a willing seller - a willing buyer. Some players may want to sign. Will the teams sign them under this CBA? If the frugal Devils, led by frugal Lou, think they can get Zach at a number more in their favor later, under a new CBA, don't you think they'd wait to sign him? Quote
sagard Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 It takes two to make a deal: - a willing seller - a willing buyer. Some players may want to sign. Will the teams sign them under this CBA? If the frugal Devils, led by frugal Lou, think they can get Zach at a number more in their favor later, under a new CBA, don't you think they'd wait to sign him? The Devil's have shown to be very smart, not necessarily cheap. I don't think Hale or Martin are complaining about what they received. It will come down to whether or not their is any developement left for Zach in the college game. That remains to be seen. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 I said frugal, not cheap. Cheap means they won't spend it. Frugal means they spend it very carefully and wisely. Press that frugality against a new CBA on the horizon and what do you get? I get expect no signings until there's a new CBA. Others may get something else. Quote
redwing77 Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 New Jersey is Frugal and patient. If you want cheap: How about the Minnesota Wild? Quote
UND95 Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 The final decision will be made by Zach, if he decides he can improve his game at UND in '04-'05, I think he will return. This is why I posed my question early about whether or not anyone thought all the clutching, grabbing, mugging, etc. that ZP has taken will affect whether or not he signs early. I know the ultimate decision comes down to whether NJ wants him to or not, but after that it is on Zach and I wonder if he may not want to try his chances even in the minors for a year or two instead of returning to UND to be held and bloodied all the time. Quote
sagard Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 I said frugal, not cheap. Cheap means they won't spend it. Frugal means they spend it very carefully and wisely. Press that frugality against a new CBA on the horizon and what do you get? I get expect no signings until there's a new CBA. Others may get something else. Good point. I guess we should worry about the present anyway! Quote
jeffj Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 If rookie salary caps were an issue now for anyone, it will be more of an issue after the CBA is done. That may urge some NHL prospects to sign before the CBA. Quote
siouxfan1 Posted January 14, 2004 Posted January 14, 2004 Its not going to happen, there will be an NHL strike and Zach in my opinion will be around another season. At least I hope so!! Go Sioux!!! Bochenski for Hobey!! Quote
schmidtdoggydog Posted January 14, 2004 Posted January 14, 2004 Its not going to happen, there will be an NHL strike and Zach in my opinion will be around another season. At least I hope so!! If there is a work stoppage it won't be because of a strike, which falls back on the players, it will be because of a lockout, which falls back on the owners. Although that statement may be an oversimplification I believe that is how is shakes out. That being said, I hope everyone is back next year! Quote
Millionaire Posted January 14, 2004 Posted January 14, 2004 I'll chip in because Dean Blais recently added something new (new to me) to the discussion. (This paragraph is paraphrased from DB) You're the NJ Devils on April 11. If you believe that having ZP makes the difference in making it just one round further in the NHL playoffs, you can sign him for $1M and make it back right away. Never mind going for the Cup, it can justify it with a purely financial decision. You're ZP on April 11, and let's say the outlook is that the CBA will cancel the 2004-05 NHL season. $1M to play the playoffs and sit 2004-05, or stay in school for $0. Either way, he's making the same amount in 2005-06, so don't think that he'll make up that $1M later. There's more to be made, but that $1M is gone. I like to say there's more to life than money, but I'll admit that it could be hard to stay at UND. (Hell, he could take the $1M and work on a degree during the lockout.) Quote
dagies Posted January 14, 2004 Posted January 14, 2004 It's a scary scenario for sure. The only thing is how difficult it would be for NJ to know if spending that money on a college player right at the end of the year will pay off in winning one more playoff series. That could hold them back. Good luck to Zach. Hope to see him wearing Kelly Green next year though. Quote
U2Bad1 Posted January 14, 2004 Posted January 14, 2004 It's a scary scenario for sure. The only thing is how difficult it would be for NJ to know if spending that money on a college player right at the end of the year will pay off in winning one more playoff series. To say zach parise is going to take NJ deeper into the playoffs THIS YEAR is quite the stretch in my opinion. Quote
schmidtdoggydog Posted January 14, 2004 Posted January 14, 2004 To say zach parise is going to take NJ deeper into the playoffs THIS YEAR is quite the stretch in my opinion. According to DB yesterday, HE doesn't have to, he would only have to contribute to their success for them to reap the financial benefits that comes with being victorious in the playoffs. And considering their scouts believe he is playing much better hockey now than at least their fourth line center, I think there is cause for concern. That being said, I think he will be back at UND, but wouldn't begrudge him the big bucks if he can get them. Quote
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