ShilohSioux Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 I think most of us can agree that nearly all UND supporters would choose to retain the Fighting Sioux name. But, as this week's Big Sky warning letter indicates, baring an unlikely reversal at Standing Rock, we likely won't have that option without repercussions from the Big Sky Conference as well as the NCAA and other universities. We are now potentially facing being expelled from the BSC if we persist, which would be the deathblow for UND sports other than hockey. Now, we can sit back and let others choose our new name, or we can take the offensive and help take charge of our future. What name do we prefer? Quote
IrishSiouxFan Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 The main thing that I loved about the Fighting Sioux logo was that it was entirely unique. There are a lot of institutions using the same the logo and mascots like the Huskies, Eagles, Trojans, Aggies, and Bison. But only one Fighting Sioux, it set us apart and said that we are a university worthy of our own personal identity. I agree with you, that keeping the logo could very possibly spell certain doom for UND athletics. However, could we forego a nickname and logo for a period of time in order to find something unique and worthy of UND? Just my opinion. Quote
darell1976 Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 Maybe this is a wake up call for the politicians who are involved with the State Law (Gov, AG, etc.) to get a meeting with the NCAA and or the Big Sky and start talking about this issue instead of just playing this out until August. July 1st 2012 we are supposed to be BSC members BUT we can easily get booted before hand. We are NOT "official" members until that date so why get the conference mad but just sitting and doing nothing. Get the NCAA on the phone and get something done not in 2 months not in a month but......NOW!!! Quote
Blackburn87 Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 Maybe this is a wake up call for the politicians who are involved with the State Law (Gov, AG, etc.) to get a meeting with the NCAA and or the Big Sky and start talking about this issue instead of just playing this out until August. July 1st 2012 we are supposed to be BSC members BUT we can easily get booted before hand. We are NOT "official" members until that date so why get the conference mad but just sitting and doing nothing. Get the NCAA on the phone and get something done not in 2 months not in a month but......NOW!!! I agree with you completely. Quote
PhillySioux Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 Maybe this is a wake up call for the politicians who are involved with the State Law (Gov, AG, etc.) to get a meeting with the NCAA and or the Big Sky and start talking about this issue instead of just playing this out until August. July 1st 2012 we are supposed to be BSC members BUT we can easily get booted before hand. We are NOT "official" members until that date so why get the conference mad but just sitting and doing nothing. Get the NCAA on the phone and get something done not in 2 months not in a month but......NOW!!! ND will be hard pressed to get the NCAA in any room while (in their mind) the constitutionality of the nickname law is in question. Quote
PhillySioux Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 On a side note, has anyone ever looked up roughrider in a slang or urban dictionary context? Yikes. 1 Quote
Ranger Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 How about the "Lakers", after our closest dear friends. Answers the mail... appeases the NC$$ and keeps ties to the American Indian community. Meets the NCAA rule for closest tribe approval. Quote
PhillySioux Posted June 12, 2011 Posted June 12, 2011 Has anyone thrown out "Voyageurs?" Grand Forks was born initially as a trading point for french and native fur traders. Early History Quote
The Sicatoka Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Don't change the state law, and really become ... The Outlaws. (Like I said before, what'll the Governor and the AG do, throw UND in jail for a nickname? Yeah-right.) Quote
The Sicatoka Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 On a side note, has anyone ever looked up roughrider in a slang or urban dictionary context? Yikes. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rough+riders Got a problem with DMX? Quote
ShilohSioux Posted June 13, 2011 Author Posted June 13, 2011 Fighting Sioux nickname or no nickname at all. A different nickname would be an insult to the great legacy of Fighting Sioux sports. Sadly, neither of those are an option. Quote
IrishSiouxFan Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 How do you figure? The way I see it... A. We still have the opportunity to force the NCAA by law to allow us to use the current name if and when this thing goes to court. B. There is no rule in place that mandates all schools to have a nickname. There's no reason why we can't be the University of North Dakota football team, University of North Dakota hockey team, etc... I feel the same way, if we can't be the Sioux then we should just be the University of North Dakota. 1 Quote
darell1976 Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 We won't be just the University of North Dakota. Just like GF Central couldn't stay just GFC the powers that be (Kelley,etc.) will pick a name probably something to do with the flame. UND Flames. Quote
ShilohSioux Posted June 13, 2011 Author Posted June 13, 2011 I feel the same way, if we can't be the Sioux then we should just be the University of North Dakota. It ain't gonna happen. So, we can either decide we're going to be part of the solution -- lend our voices to determining the new nickname -- or we can let others decide for us. I choose the former. Quote
IrishSiouxFan Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 It ain't gonna happen. So, we can either decide we're going to be part of the solution -- lend our voices to determining the new nickname -- or we can let others decide for us. I choose the former. The problem with that is they could choose the best nickname on the planet and people here will absolutely hate it, we should at least wait 6-10 years before moving on. Look at Ole Miss, they gave hardcore supporters an appropriate amount of time to grieve before beginning the search for a replacement. I wish there were someway to change the Sioux logo for all sports with the exception of men's hockey (that's where it will hurt the most to see it's absence) Quote
bigskyvikes Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Well the "Flames" better not be the name! I could think of a thousand slams with that name! Don't like it! This is all a friggin joke! Why can't they just get the vote from the tribe? Wouldn't that solve everything? Quote
darell1976 Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Well the "Flames" better not be the name! I could think of a thousand slams with that name! Don't like it! This is all a friggin joke! Why can't they just get the vote from the tribe? Wouldn't that solve everything? It would. And in a perfect world they would do a tribe wide vote today. But its not a perfect world, and they wish to do things their way. There is NOTHING we can do to change the minds at Standing Rock (or the NCAA). Quote
ShilohSioux Posted June 13, 2011 Author Posted June 13, 2011 New nickname = I lose all interest no matter what it is That's a shame. We will miss you. Old Nickname = no conference affiliation, trouble scheduling games, a serious decline in ability to recruit, and ultimately the demise of UND athletics. Quote
IrishSiouxFan Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 That's a shame. We will miss you. Old Nickname = no conference affiliation, trouble scheduling games, a serious decline in ability to recruit, and ultimately the demise of UND athletics. I think what he is saying is, no nickname (for at least a period of time)= and there will be less resistance from Sioux nickname supporters. I feel the same way, why must we rush head first into a new nickname, it is an unnecessary evil. Quote
Goon Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 I think what he is saying is, no nickname (for at least a period of time)= and there will be less resistance from Sioux nickname supporters. I feel the same way, why must we rush head first into a new nickname, it is an unnecessary evil. I like that idea as well, no new nick name!!! 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 If you don't pick something else someone (not necessarily with your best interests in mind) will tag you with one that will more than likely be a left-handed compliment at best. Control what is yours to control: Pick something and go with it. This is where Dr. Kelley has failed miserably. All he talked about was taking away. He needs to be talking about replacement also. Imagine it this way: He wants to take our cool '68 Pontiac GTO Judge. But he's not telling us about the new better car we could have so we're all assuming "Yugo". Anyone would be upset by that. Quote
IrishSiouxFan Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 It just feels wrong, UND being called something else is blasphemous to me. I would rather just be UND. It may be necessary to abandon the Sioux name to save the athletic program but it's going to leave a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, mine included. Just give us time to grieve and accept it. Quote
Fetch Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Aside from the "for a period of time" part, that is exactly how I feel. But the thing is I won't be any more accepting of a new nickname 10 or 20 years from now than I am today. I don't know exactly what percentage of the fanbase I represent with that statement, but I do know that I'm not alone in feeling that way. I agree This isn't like High School with a Autocratic Admin. & rubber stamp board ....................or is it ? Quote
IrishSiouxFan Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 Aside from the "for a period of time" part, that is exactly how I feel. But the thing is I won't be any more accepting of a new nickname 10 or 20 years from now than I am today. I don't know exactly what percentage of the fanbase I represent with that statement, but I do know that I'm not alone in feeling that way. I agree with you, I personally would like nothing more than to never have another nickname here at UND. However, 10-20 years from now when we've become a national powerhouse and are playing in a league like the Big 12 or MWC I might not be as resistant to a new generation of UND fans taking ownership and putting their own spin on it. Quote
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