MplsBison Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Assuming UND and USD are added, the Summit League would have the required 6 football members to get an auto-bid to the FCS tournament: NDSU UND SDSU USD Western Ill Southern Utah I wonder if the Summit League would be able to force NDSU/SDSU to play in the league instead of the MVFC, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I wonder if the Summit League would be able to force NDSU/SDSU to play in the league instead of the MVFC, though? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 No. Agreed, no. And why would they want to. They are already in a great conference that leaves less non-conference games to schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. I guess we'll see when UND and USD are added to the SL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersioux Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 The Summitt could also add Cal Poly and UC Davis as affiliate members to get to 8. That would look like a pretty good conference. In fact it may be better than the Valley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 The Summitt could also add Cal Poly and UC Davis as affiliate members to get to 8. That would look like a pretty good conference. In fact it may be better than the Valley True, but that might excess travel. And Davis/Poly way still want to make a go of it in the Great West (try to add San Diego, Pacific restart, Bakersfield restart, etc.). Not that traveling to SUU is a picnic, but they're in for all sports (at least for now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sIoUxPeRsTiTiOuS Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. I guess we'll see when UND and USD are added to the SL. I'm gonna go ahead and dismiss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammersmith Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 This is the only possible scenario where I could see NDSU & SDSU voting against UND and/or USD getting into the Summit. If there is currently a rule stating that if a certain number of conference members sponsor a sport, the conference must sponsor it, that rule would have to be amended to exclude football before the xDSUs and WIU would vote to include the UxDs. There is no way NDSU, SDSU & WIU will allow themselves to be dragged out of the MVFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I agree with the above two posts. No way this will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 This is the only possible scenario where I could see NDSU & SDSU voting against UND and/or USD getting into the Summit. If there is currently a rule stating that if a certain number of conference members sponsor a sport, the conference must sponsor it, that rule would have to be amended to exclude football before the xDSUs and WIU would vote to include the UxDs. There is no way NDSU, SDSU & WIU will allow themselves to be dragged out of the MVFC. And then when UND and USD are added on a 7-3 vote? I honestly can see this happening. NDSU, SDSU and WIU have no where else to go for bball. They're stuck with the Summit for now and if the Summit says, you WILL play football in the Summit, that's just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sIoUxPeRsTiTiOuS Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 And then when UND and USD are added on a 7-3 vote? I honestly can see this happening. NDSU, SDSU and WIU have no where else to go for bball. They're stuck with the Summit for now and if the Summit says, you WILL play football in the Summit, that's just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 And then when UND and USD are added on a 7-3 vote? I honestly can see this happening. NDSU, SDSU and WIU have no where else to go for bball. They're stuck with the Summit for now and if the Summit says, you WILL play football in the Summit, that's just the way it is. I can see the above mentioned joining the Valley for all sports before a Summit football league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 I can see the above mentioned joining the Valley for all sports before a Summit football league. What are the chances that the Valley wants to add NDSU, SDSU and WIU for bball vs. the chances that the Summit wants to add UND and USD for bball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 What are the chances that the Valley wants to add NDSU, SDSU and WIU for bball vs. the chances that the Summit wants to add UND and USD for bball? Depends on the timeframe. Short-term, the latter is more plausible of course. Long-term, I could see the former happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 Depends on the timeframe. Short-term, the latter is more plausible of course. Long-term, I could see the former happening. Anything can happen long term, esp. with the Big East split looming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is about an equal chance of Mplsbison's Summit League Football scenario playing out as there is that North Dakota will get an invitation to the Big 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is about an equal chance of Mplsbison's Summit League Football scenario playing out as there is that North Dakota will get an invitation to the Big 10. When I bought NCAA Football 2003, they kicked Northwestern out of the conference to accomodate us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison101 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Two things... 1) I feel like the NDSU run to the big Dance has brought UND and NDSU closer than it has been in any time before the now infamous "press conference." This is a good thing. Perhaps, if NDSU can win a game in the NCAA followed by a Sioux national championship in Hockey, the relationship can be further repaired. I have found it odd that the two schools bicker like brothers, but if one school does something that causes national attention (good or bad) the other school stands up for their North Dakota brethern. 2) The only way a Summit Football style conference happens is if a new coference is born. Stick with me here.... Lets say Minnesota State goes DI and is added to the Summit eventually. (assuming UND and USD are shoe ins at this point) I believe the current rule is that a league gets an auto bid to the Dance if 7 core members have played together in the same league for two years. Once Minnesota State become a core member, the five schools band together in a league vote to add Montana State and Montana. After two years, the 7 schools break away and form the Big North and add Northern Iowa. These would all be non commuter flagship schools and would be a conference that could last the next 100 years. Will it ever happen? No, but it is fun to speculate. Big North (aka the league that makes to much sense to ever happen) NDSU UND SDSU USD Montana Montana State Minnesota State Northern Iowa "schools that could be considered at some point" UNC Denver St Cloud Any Wisconsin school that moves up to play Football in FCS UNO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammersmith Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Two things... 1) I feel like the NDSU run to the big Dance has brought UND and NDSU closer than it has been in any time before the now infamous "press conferene." This is a good thing. Perhaps, if NDSU can win a game in the NCAA followed by a Sioux national championship in Hockey the relationship can be further repaired. 2) The only way a Summit Football conference happens is if a new coference is born. Stick with me here.... Lets say Minnesota State goes DI and is added to the Summit eventually. I believe the current rule is that a league gets an auto bid to the Dance if 7 core members have played together in the same league for two years. Once Minnesota State become a core member, the five schools band together in a league vote to add Montana State and Montana. After two years, the 7 schools break away and form the Big North and add Northern Iowa. These would all be non commuter flagship schools and would be a conference that could last the next 100 years. Will it ever happen? No, but it is fun to speculate. Big North (aka the league that makes to much sense to ever happen) NDSU UND SDSU USD Montana Montana State Minnesota State Northern Iowa Sorry, the autobid rule doesn't work that way. The six core institutions have to compete together for five years in conference play for the autobid. That's why the CAA was able to get the A10's football autobid. The CAA football schools had played together in the A10 for more than two years(rules are different for FCS football) before switching conferences as a group. For example, say six members of the Big East broke away and grabbed a member of the ACC. The BE would keep its autobid because there were still more than six members left. The new conference would also get an autobid because they too satisfy the requirements. The Big East is just about the only conference big enough to do this. The 12-team conferences can technically do it, but they would have to split perfectly down the middle and each add at least one new member. Since FBS requires 8 football playing schools in a conference, splitting most 12-team conferences while keeping the autobids would be a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Assuming UND and USD are added, the Summit League would have the required 6 football members to get an auto-bid to the FCS tournament: NDSU UND SDSU USD Western Ill Southern Utah I wonder if the Summit League would be able to force NDSU/SDSU to play in the league instead of the MVFC, though? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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