Siouxphan27

It isn't. I stated earlier I am not in the no nickname camp for the reason of keeping on using the Sioux name. I am in the no nickname camp because I have yet to see a reason (besides fear mongering, and pie in the sky dollars rolling in due to having a nickname) to pick a new one. Being known as North Dakota using the interlocking ND is unique, and I couldn't be more proud if this stance was taken, both for the emphasis it puts on the state, and also how it would tell the ncaa we're not interested in playing their stupid nickname game anymore.

My guess is you are wrong. Well, glad we solved that.

Well heck, if all the kids are doing it, why not us? I'm sold- let's go with either Fighting Lemmings or Sheep. Your example is not relevant because they have not all gone through the process we have, so it's hard to debate. My guess is if every school was forced to drop their current nickname, some of them would prefer to tell the ncaa to go eff themselves, and proceed forward without one, putting the emphasis on their school name going forward.

My point is the name University of North Dakota is what defines the university...not some nickname. Post #1246, to answer your question about the millions. I'm not part of the crowd thinking this is some way to keep using fighting Sioux. I would be proud as hell if we forged our way without a new, worthless, nickname. We are North Dakota - no further explanation necessary. I think you're kidding yourself if you think choosing a new nickname is going to make any difference in the minds and actions of those that chant Sioux at the end of the anthem, or do Sioux cheers, or wear Sioux clothing.

Still waiting for Hayduke and the other adults to show a projection chart or at least explain how a new nickname is going to result in increased merchandise sales by the millions, and put us on par with the big boys as he called them.... It sounds like the main two reasons we're choosing a name are 1. Afraid of the ncaa. and 2. the gravy train of notoriety, championships, and cash that will rain down on campus. I don't believe number 1 is valid; the ncaa is not going to play thought police. UND is not using Sioux anymore. the ncaa cannot expect UND to control individual's actions. They would have to make a universal ban on all indian logo clothing at every school.....that will not happen. People like to throw around terms like "brand" and "licensing". You don't rebrand 130 years of history and tradition. the University itself is the brand. the interlocking ND is the logo. Millions will be spent to implement a new nickname no one likes. It will be along time before that money is recouped with the sales of Sundog sweatshirts. Oxbow6, ScottM, among others are correct saying winning is what makes the difference in merchandise sales, exposure, and athletic department donations. anyway, recess is over, so, back to class.

Speaking for the children as you call us, why don't you and the other adults put some concrete numbers together explaining how having a new nickname is going to translate into $12million per year of increased t-shirt sales so we can be on par with Colorado State? I await your report like an impatient child. Thank you.

If that bothers you, you have a valid point for wanting a name. But as far as i'm concerned, I don't care about the average stiff that doesn't know the difference between Notre Dame and UND. odds are if he's that dumb, we don't need him here as a student, and he would probably never have the financial means to give back to the U. anyway. Same goes for the sexually indifferent sons 70 miles to the south.... If someone can't differentiate between UNIVERSITY OF, and STATE UNIVERSITY, why is it worth my time to care? They are irrelevant in terms of continuing the effort to make UND successful.

Let's just stick to what you said earlier, rather than your completely different statement you made now.... You said in response to having a "brand"..... "......which pays off in terms of exposure. When Gonzaga started making runs in the NCAA tournament in the early 2000's, they attracted potential students who otherwise would not have even heard of the school." So I'll ask it a different way: how many points did the brand score to contribute to the run in the NCAA tournament? Or are you saying no one would have heard of Gonzaga after their great tournament runs if they did not have a nickname? and as far as the car statement, Sic and I were just having a little fun with an analogy back and forth; I figured what better way to forfeit victory to him by also giving him his beloved Roughrider name.

Come on now.... Which preposterous statement are u making here..... Are you saying if Gonzaga didn't have the nickname Bulldogs, no one would have heard of Gonzaga after their tournament run? Or are you saying they were successful, because they had a nickname?

We've been represented all over the world since parking the old car. What, specifically, does this new car guarantee? Is the new car going to automatically win championships and supply a bottomless supply of money? If so, I relent. Sign me up for the loaded, souped up all new SUV, the Chevy Roughrider, as I stand quietly nodding my approval while swallowing my own vomit. :-)

You can still get wherever you want to go, without a car. You're giving that potential new car way too much credit . I bet a lot of people will tell you your new car sucks- why deal with that hassle? More people will admire your decision to be unique, and not rely on a car.

You've gotten around fine for a couple years without a car. You're probably in better shape now! Plus, nobody's complaining about your old car.

Logos can be very important to universities, and not just for their symbolic value; just ask the University of Texas, which makes more than $10 million a year by licensing its Longhorn mark. Whoa whoa whoa.... I thought that was a Bison thing? LOL.

The question becomes is the NCAA going to force you to buy a car? Your lack of a car clearly meets their emissions standards.

UND Transformers We can change the mascot on a per game basis, picking a natural enemy of our opponents mascot. Nobody gets disgusted with the new name/logo, because how can they?? It changes daily. <takes bow>. Lol

FCS football is also extremely unpopular in America when looking at things relatively. So as GD said - same/same. Instead of trying to tear hockey and its significance down, build football up. This is already being done- bubba is righting the ship. As Oxbow said, win some big games, make the playoffs, and the people and $$$ will come.

FIGHTING SOUS CHEFS

I'll go out on a limb and pick Ohio State. * Hard to believe Cardale was a third string quarterback. He played a nearly flawless game save for that fumble.

Tsunamis As someone pointed out earlier, if an animal is chosen if doesn't have to be native to the area. So the same rule of thumb should apply to weather/nature related events.

Ben's wife?

You said it perfectly. Thank you.

Same beef? Then why ask the question if you don't believe the numbers, or the people at the game? #buttgetalife

It was quite full. But if you're so concerned, come up and count next time.

Student section was 1/10th the size it normally is since they are still considered on Christmas break.... So there were a lot more tickets available to the general public, and those folks don't generate as much noise as the students do.

My apologies if it's posted somewhere else, but what's the details on this Adidas deal and the MBB team? They're against it, and why? Thanks for any info.