Siouxphan27
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You think the same mess would have occurred if it would have been a statue of the Prophet Mohammed?
Simple question..................
The guy would've been killed by ISIS long before the legal circus got underway..
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The entire process has been and will continue to be corrupted. Which is all the more reason to stay North Dakota- no nickname needed.
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The NA's already have a nickname committee member that is able to, and has already single handedly rejected name ideas that may carry a NA connotation. I'm surprised Old McDonald hasn't denounced no name and cavalry yet.
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I've stated multiple times I really don't care what UND chooses, just want what is best for UND. Yes, Roughriders is my favorite and based on what i've seen and heard i'm not the only one who thinks that, but i'd be fine with lots of different names. Even if it's something I don't like I'll get to like it over time because i support UND not a nickname.
As do I- we just have vastly different opinions.
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Is Teddy not "Roughrider" Enough? A new book coming soon.
No- "Roughriders" weren't North Dakota, at all. But some on here have a hard time digesting actual facts, and prefer their imagination land version of historical events.
I've heard the phrase We Are North Dakota.... But strangely enough I've never heard anyone yell We Are Teddy Roosevelt.
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Your argument against Teddy R and the name Rough Riders is tiresome. I don't want to repeat myself, but again it doesn't matter how many ND residents fought for the Rough Riders, it doesn't matter how long Teddy R lived in ND, and it doesn't matter the Rough Riders isn't the "official," state nickname.
What matters is the name is and has been engrained in the culture and the people of this state for as long as I can remember. How that came to be doesn't matter. North Dakota residents are proud to be associated with Teddy Roosevelt and they are proud to be associated with the name Rough Riders. You can stop with all the other talk because it doesn't matter. Facts are facts, and the Rough Rider name being tied to ND and ND residents is a fact. Did you actually grow up in ND or were you a transplant that just went to school here? If so I understand, but if you actually grew up in ND I don't see how you do not know how much that name has been apart of the states culture for a very long time. As a ND resident myself, I am proud to be associated with Teddy R and the Rough Rider name and would be proud to have UND take that as a nickname. ND people are strong, tough, hard working people, who stand up for what's right.......kind of like a group of people Teddy R led to battle back in the day.
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greatnames to choose from, but Rough Riders makes the most sense by far. As GFhockey and the GOBC like to say.....ROLLLLL RIDASI find your arguments and constant campaigning for Roughriders tiresome as well. However, this is a discussion board for opinions is it not? Roughriders may be a popular saying in the western part of the state, but not in the east.
As to your question, yes, I did grow up in North Dakota. My ancestors like i'm sure many others that post here walked across Wisconsin and Minnesota 136 years ago with an ox and cart and just the clothes on their back, and homesteaded in North Dakota. If the nickname is intended to honor anyone, why not the actual settlers that came here and carved out a life here? But yet the lame brain committee has struck down all names like Homesteaders, Settlers, Pioneers, (yes I've heard of Denver), as well as all Scandinavian related names.
So we are left with Roughriders, which honors Teddy Roosevelt and something he did in another phase of his life. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Our ancestors spent the 1870s barely surviving a trek into the unknown wild prairies of Dakota Territory. Teddy Roosevelt spent the 1870s as a child of wealthy New Yorkers, vacationing with his family in Europe and Egypt. He later came here on a hunting trip, loved it, and plunked $14000 down on a ranch. He hired cowboys, and a crew to build him one of the finest homes in the area, and then galloped his way back to New York to finish his term. I guess I don't see him as one of us. Great President, yes. But not a North Dakotan.
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Wrong, Frank Kania (Jamestown), John Damet (Alexander) and William T de Zychlinski(Bismarck) get the facts before you go spewing what you think is a fact. And these were members of the 1st volunteer cavalry, there was also the 2nd volunteer cavalry(also known as the rough riders)from wyoming which recruited many ranchers from southern ND.
Nice article here about all the Roughriders born and raised in North Dakota.
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"He bought a ranch in the Dakota badlands." http://www.pbs.org/nationalparks/people/historical/roosevelt/
Here I go again using Facts to discredit what you wrote.
Do you have a problem with a National Park being named after him in North Dakota or just if it was named after the group of men he led, the Roughriders.
I said he never owned land in North Dakota. So no, you are not at all discrediting the facts which I wrote.
He invested in a ranch, yes. Which consisted of stock and buildings, etc. But not land.
I think he was a great President, and have no problem with a Park being named after him. If people could have come up with a suitable nickname that had something to do with Teddy Roosevelt and his time spent in North Dakota, I would have been ok with that.
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Doesn't change the fact that Roughriders and North Dakota are tied together.
Doesn't change fact that the leader of the Roughriders was a North Dakota resident.
He was not a North Dakota resident. He vacationed here and played cowboy from time to time. He never owned any land in North Dakota- he was a squatter.
Darnit here I go again, letting facts get in the way of a great story.
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You need to learn to deal with the fact that the former President of the United States and a leader of the Roughriders lived in North Dakota for a while and spoke highly of his time here.
Go Blame Roosevelt for your dislike of North Dakota's states nickname.
Such a tragedy North Dakota wanted to honor him in some way.
Well aware of Roosevelt and his time here. That doesn't change the fact that only one member of the Roughriders was from North Dakota, which is what my post you replied to was pertaining to.
Or should we continue along the path of revisionist history and just claim some, most, or all of the roughriders were North Dakotans?
I'll head to Wikipedia right now and change a few things: Teddy Roosevelt and his roughriders- all of them from North Dakota- used nuclear weapons and pea shooters to defeat ISIS in the Battle of the Bulge. There, done. Gooooo Roughriders!!!!!
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Does anyone think there is a chance in hedoublehockeysticks that Blackhawks would be chosen? Would that honor Purpur who received the ROUGHRIDER award?
Blackhawks is the best choice remaining on the list in my opinion. Since Purpur actually did honorable things in this state, then yes, it would all make sense.
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Thank you for using the correct expression.
lol thanks. However, you will be very busy if you try correct all my grammatical mistakes!
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Langdon was the last living rough rider from ND, there was more than one roughrider from ND. Roosevelt himself lived here at one point. Central needs to get over itself.
Wrong. Langdon was the ONLY Roughrider from ND. I could not care less about any Class A high schools or their nicknames.
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So, how many Spartans were from Michigan? How many Trojans from Southern California?
For that matter, I thought the 'Rebs' were from the Confederacy, not Las Vegas, Nevada.
How many Seminoles are there in Fl... oops,
mythe NCAA's bad.
It does go with the state's marketing program, and is like the Tennessee Volunteers, the Oklahoma Sooners, the Kansas Jayhawks... Need I go on?
1. Roughriders
2. (Charging) Nokotas
3. (Grey) Wolves
4. Cavalry
The difference would be those nicknames were not chosen with the directive of attempting to choose a name related to, and honoring, something in the state's past.
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what does cavalry have to do with north dakota?
and two word combos of a color/region and a idea/thing/noun are odd and a dime a dozen---
You're kidding, right? 7th Cavalry? Custer? Battle of Little Big Horn? Wounded Knee Massacre?
There was also the 1st Dakota Cavalry Battalion- they were charged with keeping the settlers safe from Indian uprisings during the Civil War time period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Dakota_Cavalry_Battalion
Because of what their duties were, I can't hardly believe when it comes down to the final countdown Cavalry will be considered as a nickname option. I prefer no nickname, but wouldn't mind Cavalry- it's a part of the history of North Dakota, unlike- you guessed it- Roughridas!
The Roughriders were never here. They were from the southwestern states. They were from hot climate regions by design, as those men were used to the weather conditions they would encounter in Cuba. As a whole, they were together for just a few months from the beginning of training to the end of their fighting in Cuba.
There was one member of the 1250+ Roughrider group who was from North Dakota. His name was Jesse Langdon. He was a 16 year old boy from Fargo who knew Teddy Roosevelt because Langdon's father was the Head Veterinarian at the North Dakota Ag College, and had worked Roosevelt's cattle. As a side note, a few years after he was with the Roughriders, Jesse claimed to have psychic powers. The link of North Dakota to the Roughriders is virtually non-existent, unless honoring a 16 year old boy from the NDAC is the plan for UND.
Yes.....I realize there is a Roughrider award. I realize the ND Tourism Dept. has done a great job trying to sell North Dakota as the roughrider state. I've been to the Medora Musical- at the end of it, when they charge up San Juan Hill.... that hill's just southwest of Dickinson, right?
I think it's nuts the state sells itself on a fictitious history that has been repeated so many times now that some people mistake it for the truth.
If it is chosen it will definitely be unique- UND will be the only U. with a nickname chosen to honor a fairytale history.
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Roughriders or bust.........
UND Bust it is!!!!
Bust yeah yeah!
Yeah bust bust!
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Agree to disagree I guess. UND only has no nickname right now because they were not allowed to choose a new one when the old one was retired. Had that restriction not been in place, this process would have taken place in 2011/2012 and your point about them continuing on with no nickname as they currently are would not have existed.
So you're saying my point would be incorrect if we revised history..... Hmmm... I guess I'll agree with you there...
. But I'll still stick by my point under the current laws and history of the 3 dimensional world I am currently living in.
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Except this time it would be by choice instead of force. UND was prohibited by law from replacing Fighting Sioux when it was retired, they no longer have that restriction in place. There is a material difference in the two.
All there is left to say to that is Holy semantics Batman
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The University of North Dakota, aka North Dakota or UND, was founded in 1883.
It was the University of North Dakota, aka North Dakota or UND, through "Nodaks", "Flickertails", and "Fighting Sioux".
It was the University of North Dakota, aka North Dakota or UND, in 2005 when the NCAA edict first arrived.
It was in 2012 when the settlement happened.
It is the University of North Dakota, aka North Dakota or UND, today.
And it will still be tomorrow.
I don't understand the " ... staying North Dakota ... " statements.
We are staying North Dakota no matter what.
Or have some folks misunderstand that all along and thought the institution was "The Fighting Sioux" and the University of North Dakota, aka North Dakota or UND, was the nickname.
"Stay North Dakota", in the context of this discussion, always refers to staying with no nickname as we have been since ours was officially removed. It really isn't that difficult of a concept
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Pride is starting to grow on me. However I still think I'm in the no new nickname grouping.
Pride? How many milliseconds before we're referred to as Gay pride by opponents? (Not that there's anything wrong with that - My father's gay.) -Seinfeld.
Please stay with us in the no new nickname crowd, we're glad you're with us!
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People get used to having herpes too! But in the end it still sucks and life was way better than having herpes in the first place!
Lol. Best post in this thread!
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So where was their diversity VP pointing out that this is a big white guy?
As was mentioned it's a big gay white guy, so that's how they covered the diversity angle.
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James Madison University?
I like dogs. And crowns! Where do I sign up for autopay donations to this fine institution?
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OK, 82SiouxGuy, I'll try to find some smaller-school logos and see if anything really sticks in the collective heads here as a great idea for branding vs "ND"...
How about Northern Colorado?
Average Joe: oooh.... scary bear!!! i'm definitely going to start donating huge sums of money to and buying thousands in merchandise from this school!
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North Dakota Nobody's... or, NDN's for short. Oops, maybe not.