Siouxphan27
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New nickname => Do it right, I'm buying something, maybe a lot of things.
New nickname => Do it wrong, I'm probably not buying anything, but I'll wait for a new hockey sweater to decide for sure.
No new nickname => I'm definitely not buying anything. Period.
It's not a conspiracy…it's marketing.
So you will never buy anything that only says North Dakota on it? interesting....
I know I will never wear a sweatshirt with "Fighting Greens", and a whole host of other WTF type nicknames that are still on the consideration list.
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Oh wait, you're comparing Power 5 conference schools with a school that finished moving up to Division I a couple of years ago. Schools that have used those logos for years, most for decades. Schools that get a lot of national TV coverage. Versus a small, lesser known school going through a nickname and logo change. That makes sense. And you substituted the word absolutely for the word options that southpaw used. Got it, good comparison.
If you want to compare the use of letters, use the interlocking ND. How has that done for UND recognition? UND has used it for decades. If you show the interlocking ND logo to random people at sporting events in Los Angeles, Dallas, Atlanta, New York City, or even Minneapolis, what school are most of them going to think it belongs to? UND or Notre Dame? Pretty unique to UND isn't it? Or not so much. And that's true even though Notre Dame also uses a small, bearded guy in another logo. Does anyone actually believe that continuing with the interlocking ND logo as the main UND logo is going to help build recognition for UND?
Only one thing is going to help build recognition for UND- WINNING. Successful sports teams and solid education programs is what builds a brand and gets you recognized.
The argument a new logo is somehow going to get people to stand up and pay attention to a university in what most people in the country consider the middle of nowhere, is just patently untrue.
There's more risk that a bland, dumb moniker is going to turn off more people than a "great" new moniker with zero tradition behind it is going to suddenly generate new fans and interest in UND.
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Brilliant! I'm taking the University of North Dakota Dukes!
this whole process is like taking one gigantic duke.
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Careful ... you know what happens to those who disagree with KJU.
They get fed to the Sundogs?
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"Bombs away!" No way it makes it. I like it, and would have no problem with it. Even with it meeting most criteria, there is no chance it makes it out of committee. (most know multiple reasons why, unfortunately)
How about the UNABOMBERS?
Or would having an N, and an A, together in the name get it disqualified by the Supreme Leader of the committee? (no, not Karl)
This whole process is enough to make me barf. A large committee narrows down a list, but only the names that meet one person's approval, can be moved forward. It's sort of like Kim Jong Un and his Parliament.
the people who should have the least say into what the new, non-Sioux nickname is, are in fact wielding all the power. No Arrows, no horses that have NA ties... I'm not saying those were the best options but how some names are being eliminated is total BS.
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The NCAA titles will start rolling in now! ***
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And your point is?
I guess ewe just don't understand your own udder nonsense.
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Sodbusters and Goat ropers are not the same. Duh.
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I can see the dilemma with choosing Badlanders... How about recognizing the highest point in North Dakota- UND White Buttes.
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Nice post, I hope you send it to their editor.
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My bottom three...which won't change:
1. Roughriders
2. Roughriders
3. Roughriders
There should not be a new nickname. No nickname is the only good option.
(Slightly modified above post.)
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Further to the point of lamenting my pathetic aging situation...
...then I see the proposed "Charging Nokota" logo and wish it all to end instantly, like I'm with Tony Soprano and his family at the diner with the once inspirational and now incredibly haunting Journey tune playing as soundtrack to my demise. I haven't seen that much horse hair 'flow since my last Broney convention. "Charging Nokota" is so gaddawful bad I'm beginning to think this is all an elaborate scheme by Jerry York to further inflict pain and suffering on Sioux fans beyond the usual Frozen Four trouncings.
I can't agonize enough over the list of horrific names still "under consideration." Drillers? Energy? Arctic Blaze? That last one just doesn't even make any sense. And, of course there's the cunning subtlety of Bison Slayers. Too clever by one one-hundredth. Yes, I get it, the Fighting Sioux were Bison Slayers. Genius. It's just so bad it's good; that sort of thing. And... honestly I can hardly type this... "Aurora"??? Wha. Tha. Fa? We can all dress in creepy 70's tie dye and cue up the 5th Dimension on the quadraphonic.
Let's bring it back to base camp fellow explorers... There's no other option than just "North Dakota." You know it. I know it. We know it. It's the only way to avoid a complete unhealthy backlash from all of the hearty, God-fearing, gun-toting, red-state, tough-as-nails, ruggedly individualistic and fantastically awesome members of Fighting Sioux nation who, despite their vast numbers in the majority, have no time or inclination to post their whimsical BS on this web site.
taz is here to help
Excellent post! I hope as this process in self torture continues to play out more and more people will realize staying North Dakota with no nickname is the best option.
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Yah no doubt! Lets toughen up that horse a bit. Looks like the horse on the cover of those soft porn love novels they sell in the grocery store.
It reminded me of the cover of the book Black Beauty. Or am i thinking of Black Booty?
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Stage 6 is indifference- not giving a flying Flickertail anymore. Most will never reach this stage, but a really dumb nickname will send a few people here.
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Is it too late to submit Fighting Grievers?
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Sometimes I think we have to go back to "English Language 101" so, ...
A nickname is "a name added to or substituted for the proper name of a person, place, etc., as in affection, ridicule, or familiarity." *
Proper name: University of North Dakota
Nickname:
Maybe that's the solution: All that's in the "nickname" space right now is white space.
University of North Dakota White Space
No, wait, clearly racist.
* "nickname", Oxford English Dictionary (online ed.), retrieved September 26, 2011
With most names of any substance or relevance to the local area getting tossed out already, it appears "ridicule" is the part of this definition we will get to enjoy if a nickname is chosen.
Go Big White Space Machine!
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We already are North Dakota, the University of North Dakota.
I swear some people think that team that plays in the NCHC in Engelstad Arena is a sovereign entity and not the University of North Dakota's entrant into NCAA Division I ice hockey.
Hint to those blinded by a nickname and logo: It is the University of North Dakota's entrant into NCAA Division I ice hockey. They already are "North Dakota". Nicknaming the team "North Dakota" is straight out of the Department of Redundancy Department.
To clear up any confusion, I said, and meant, no nickname is needed.
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What they figured out is that can continue to yell Fighting Sioux because there will be nothing to compete with it. Read the comments on any article or even the suggestion list.
People will still be yelling Fighting Sioux for years to come regardless. I think it's a good sign now that the process has started, more people are beginning to realize how fatally flawed this entire exercise is.
Keep it as North Dakota. Dress up the interlocking logo with a few variations. For those in love with Teddy Roosevelt, make him a mascot. Or other people or things North Dakota-ish, make them mascots. There are lots of possibilities with just staying North Dakota.
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I too was pretty disappointed in Brad's take on this. Maybe he hears from hockey fans more than anyone else and that's where his POV is coming from but it would be a colossal mistake in my opinion and feel fairly comfortable that the committee is aware of not picking a new nickname will cause the large majority to hold onto the old one because they have nothing to gravitate towards. Your second paragraph is spot on. People will slowly figure out they are cheering for and supporting a University and not a nickname or logo.
This is what the no nickname folks have already figured out. Seeing names like Arrows eliminated already, and fake made up birds and anything with the word green in front of it being moved forward in the process, further supports my fear the chosen name will be as mamby pamby as they come.
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Mr./Ms. Ermine- you seem to know a lot about the process of choosing a name- how have other schools handled the voting/decision making process? TIA
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Looks like some names were either left on or off either list due to spelling errors, so perhaps a keyword search used to sort names is partly to blame for some of the confusion. i.e. Berserkers is under consideration, while Berzerkers is not. And Roughriders is not under consideration, but a misspelled version of Roughriders made the under consideration list.
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Holy cow, Mr. Buzzkill. God forbid a North Dakota team is nicknamed after something related to Teddy Roosevelt. You hate "Roughriders", we get it.
Your last reply to me stated you would "love to hear what I have to say about ND high school nicknames...
Are you capable of responding to me without starting out with an insult or calling names? You are 3-for-3 now. You seem very childish when you are proven wrong. In the future, please ignore posts of mine in which your opinion is different than mine, or in cases you cannot refute my points with anything besides insults and garbage. Thanks. We're done here.
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The Riders gathered in the southwest, but North Dakota cowboys (e.g. Jesse Langdon*) were in the group. "They gathered a diverse bunch of men consisting of cowboys, gold or mining prospectors, hunters, gamblers, Native Americans and college boys; all of whom were able-bodied and capable on horseback and in shooting."
If they didn't take anybody from anywhere who met their needs, how'd a Harvard educated New Yorker end up as a colonel in the unit?
*Roosevelt made sure Langdon got into the unit. "Langdon, born 1881 in what is now North Dakota, "hoboed" his way to Washington, D.C., and called on Roosevelt at the Navy Department, reminding him that his father, a veterinarian, had treated Roosevelt's cattle at his Dakota ranch during his ranching days. Roosevelt arranged a railroad ticket for him to San Antonio, where Langdon enlisted in the Rough Riders at age 16. He was the last surviving member of the regiment and the only one to attend the final two reunions, in 1967 and 1968. He died June 29, 1975 at the age of 94, ..."
As the article states, just one North Dakotan- Jesse Langdon, was ever a member of the Roughriders.
North Dakota Tourism has done a great job of brainwashing people over the years to believe the Roughriders had anything to do with North Dakota. One of those -say it enough times and people will believe it's true- deals.
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Holy cow, Mr. Buzzkill. God forbid a North Dakota team is nicknamed after something related to Teddy Roosevelt. You hate "Roughriders", we get it. But if you think the Grand Forks school district was so foolish to use "Roughriders" as a nickname for athletic competition in North Dakota, as you implied earlier, I would love to hear what you have to say about the school districts that created the Central Knights, Fargo North Spartans, Bismarck Demons, Dickinson Midgets, and pretty much every other high school in North Dakota.
Sorry B-Squared- that post of mine you're referring to is what the kids nowadays refer to as sarcasm.
In regard to the rest of your post; everyone realizes those schools you listed were not attempting to honor anything when they chose their nickname. So, it's really a silly point to try compare those names to UND's attempt at finding a name reflective of the state.
On the UND nickname suggestion page, the third of the four suggested attributes for a nickname suggestion states: 3) Be representative of the state and region in a way that honors the traditions and heritage of the past but also looks to the future.
the Roughriders were not a cavalry based in North Dakota. They never trained or fought in north Dakota.
At best, a handful(after a little research, i discovered just one- Jesse Langdon- was from North Dakota) of the 1250+ men may have had north Dakota ties.Are we choosing a nickname to honor North Dakota, or are we choosing a nickname to honor Teddy Roosevelt?
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Average Joe: oooh.... scary bear!!! i'm definitely going to start donating huge sums of money to and buying thousands in merchandise from this school!