Siouxphan27
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Their flag had the same insignia as the Roughrider regiment. That's a fact, even if there were others with the same insignia. It surely didn't differentiate them from the Roughriders. Even with that, you go on to insult North Dakotans like myself by ignoring the historical references to Theodore Roosevelt and his ties to the state.
Myself and many North Dakotans are extremely proud of the legacy of these ties and the fact that Roosevelt himself said he never would have become president without the time he spent in North Dakota.
To say anything otherwise is an insult to the great state of North Dakota.
Sorry if the facts I stated about the origin of the state flag conflict with what you claimed, and your agenda. I will try to be more sensitive to your needs in the future.
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The state flag of North Dakota was chosen to honor the 1st North Dakota Infantry. They were a regiment of volunteers from and organized in North Dakota, so it made sense to honor them.
The Roughriders and many other cavalry units in the country carried the same flag; it was quite popular as it is an important symbol of the U.S.A.
There are enough misconceptions out there about the Roughriders and their mythic link to North Dakota; let's not insult the memory of the 1st North Dakota Infantry by claiming the state flag was chosen to honor the Roughriders.
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Think out of the box artistically for the Logo
At first I liked Rough Riders. Now I hate it. How would the Logo look? Maybe a Teddy Bear or Green and Black with a green shirted cowboy on a black horse? Or a cavalry officer in those colors. No no no. Been thinking of Fighting Hawks more and more. A black hawk's head with green eyes beautifully captured by a good artist. Maybe even a green beak. A thatch of white feathers? I dunno but the design is endless. Look at the Jacksonville Jags, colors gold and teal with the jaguars head gold and the tongue and eyes teal. Very sharp!
Even he hockey team would love hearing "Go Hawks, go hawks."
Nice post.
When there are people thinking the Great Seal of the United States of America on a flag is somehow uniquely Roughriders and uniquely North Dakota and makes a nice logo, God help us.
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In regard to official- I'm haying. Look it up for yourselves.
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I like it!Here is the new logo design:
naw....
Go Ridas!
Roll Gardners!
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So do you suggest that UND become the Peace Gardeners then?!!
Well....no..... Not every state has several official/unofficial nicknames that would work well as a university nickname. We've already used two. Since all the choices left are rather weak, of those 7 North Dakota or nodaks are my preferred choices.
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They've struck down efforts to put it on our license plates. By your definition (that the nickname be enshrined in century code in order to be official), North Dakota does not have an official nickname.
In 1957, the legislature formally adopted Peace Garden State as the official nickname. (North Dakota Century Code, Section 39-04-12.)
I'm not sure how much more official you can get.
It seems every time I state a fact on here about the Roughriders myth, I get accused of being wrong, only to later prove i'm right. I guess that's how fairy tale legends of Roughriders being from North Dakota get spread. Bully!
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Good luch in your endeavors. Might be easier to convince the NCAA to let UND use the Fighting Sioux name again!!
Lol how true!
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Write the legislators to have them have it removed from The states nicknames website would be a good first step for you.
Sorry- I guess i should have explained I was being facetious.
The legislature has twice struck down efforts to make Roughriders the official state nickname- that's good enough for me.
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When you start a serious campaign to rid ND of the Rough Rider nickname, you and your ilk will be much more believable.
North Dakota's official nickname is the Peace Garden State. I'm not sure how our "ilk" would go about officially ridding North Dakota of an unofficial, historically inaccurate nickname drummed up by the ND Dept. Of Tourism.
But we're open to suggestions.
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There are 7 names left. (6 technically). Please tell me a better name form the reaming list that you think UND should adopt as their new nickname? We all get it. This process has been a s#%t show. You are not alone in your thinking. But face reality. UND's new nickname is one of those final 7. It's true, a lot of good names are not one of the remaining names. That sucks. This is what we are stuck with. For better or worse. Again, tell me a better name from the 7?
I like the other 6 better.
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Yeah, it's TR's fault that he was born into wealth.
What matters is what he did with his life, which is way more than most people (including myself) ever do with their short time on this planet. But go right on blaming him for things he had no control over if it helps promote your case.
Lol. If that is what you took away from reading my post, there is no other appropriate response other than to just laugh.
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if michigan was looking to adopt a new nickname in 2015 they would hire a certain consulting group and i'm pretty sure their new nickname would be.....Maize Hawks!
100k please.
Can't argue with that!
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Does anyone know what the committee's next paring down method will be? How will they arrive at the "short list" of final ballot choices?
All 7 names will be written on a piece of tape, stuck on to a straw. All 7 straws will be carefully, shallowly inserted into the butt of a committee member of Karl Goehring's choosing. This committee member will then pull out 3 straws. These will represent the final 3.
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Actually, I think TR built himself up using a gym his dad built.
I think it was all those luxury cruises his family took him on to Europe and Egypt when he was a child in the 1870's that toughened him up.
While our ancestors were trudging across Wisconsin and Minnesota walking behind an ox and cart with nothing to their names but the clothes on their back, hoping to find a piece of ground and stake their claim, and hoping to survive their first winter in sod-based dugouts built into the riverbanks, Teddy was off cruising to Europe and Egypt on the carnival cruiselines of the 1870s.... But yep, let's name UND after him instead! SMH
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Some don't like "Roughriders" because Teddy wasn't native to North Dakota; he was adopted.
Well, were there wolverines in Michigan when U of Michigan took that name, based on a state nickname? The answer is somewhere between "nope" and maybe a few that went extinct 200 years ago.
http://geo.msu.edu/extra/geogmich/wolves.html
We know at least two Roughriders lived in North Dakota, including the most famous.
Are we that hard up we have to adopt someone, and the cavalry he led from a different part of the United States, to base our nickname on?
If U of Michigan had to do it all over again, would they choose Wolverines in the year 2015? We have the advantage of being able to look back at our history, and base our choice on how our state has developed, how its history has played out.
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I am likely wrong but I don't think Teddy Roosevelt not being native to ND is the issue. First I think Roughriders is the best option left but I am extremely frustrated that IMO after the process we are essentially left with all poor options. When we have this huge list with certain criteria and it appears several of these main criteria were not considered or met by some of the remaining options I feel let down. I actually don't personally feel the name needs to directly relate to ND but it was part of the criteria. It was also supposed to be original which it isn't so that criteria was not required either. If people like the idea of a name associated to TR why not have something like Ranchers because that is what he did while in ND? Sure I don't really care for Roughriders but I am more irritated that it has made it through the process considering the stated criteria.
I was likely being idealistic but I really thought looking at the original list we would have had 3 good options to vote on and would be happy with it. Wow, was I wrong but I did see the red flags as soon as they cut the list down the first time.
Good post. I disagree with Roughriders being the best option left, but otherwise I feel the same way about the criteria, process, and results.
What you mentioned about a name like Ranchers has been part of my beef all along. If we're in love with Teddy Roosevelt, pick a nickname related to something that he did while he was in ND.
Before the last committee/rube gathering where they cut the list down to 7, there were 3 "people-based" names left that at least attempted to recognize something North Dakota-related. In their infinite wisdom, the other two were eliminated, leaving Roughriders as the only option for people wanting to vote for a person-based nickname sort of remotely related to the state. And thus, the reason (I think) a lot of people are leaning towards it because all other options for a ND-based nickname have been eliminated.
It's just too bad all the committee members failed North Dakota History class and have no clue about who the ND settlers were or what they did.
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They've arrested Ashley Hunter and charged him with 2 counts of murder. Some may recognize the name from when he made national headlines for stabbing another guy for refusing to change positions during a 3-some a couple years ago.
Did they even bother to ask the third guy if he wanted to change positions?
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Go Ridas!
Brought to you by Lee Riders Mom Jeans. For when looking your best, isn't important.
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And I didnt attend the University of Robert Otis Kelley. I'd take Teddy Roosevelt well before most figures because he was forward thinking progressive, but still conservative and a conservationist before his time. A Bull Moose.
Where were you when the nickname was under attack? I sent out freedom of information requests to all the Slummit and Big Sky Presidents. There was no email discussion of the nickname at all, except by a few concerned fans. The whole Sioux nickname situation was rigged from top, beginning with Dalrymple and Stenehjam and carried out nefariously by Kelley. Kelley did not once implore the NCAA to change their stance and was effectively a double agent, while people assumed he would back the majority. The SBOHE was either total doofuses or were in on the ploy. Slummit League Commissioner Douple admitted that UND and ND wanted the name to go away, but he was slammed by the Herald, Forum, and Kelley for stating the truth. Bresciani attempted to get revenge on behalf of the SBoHE on him in retaliation. Bresciani had emails on the situations, but deleted them as the whole situation would cause the whole SBoHE and Stenehjem and Dalrymple to come crashing down as a blatant ruse with disregard for honesty. The state will have no part in retrieving those emails, and fired the women attorney who attempted to do so. But where were you when I stated these as issues? Mostly just got attacked here.
Kelley et al will eventually pay for their deceptions. So will Standing Rocks past leadership. Lord knows the people of Standing Rock have suffered enough. But in the meantime, UND is in a crisis and needs a new name and new leadership.
Nice post.
Where was I? I didn't post here then. Thanks for your efforts.
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So people that spend time at UND that credit it with becoming who they are isn't relevant. Guess we shouldn't have Engelstad Arena or claim Matt Greene, Ed Belfour, etc. as something related to UND since they only spent a little time here, regardless if they might not have achieved what they did without their time here. Why are so many alumni that aren't from here even concerned about a new nickname, they shouldn't be if they only spent a small part of their lives here. Maybe the only people that should get to vote on the new nickname are people who have lived in North Dakota their entire life and have ties to UND.
Engelstad Arena.... 100 million I believe? If Matt Greene is willing to donate $100million as well, I would have no problem being the UND Fighting Greene.
Your comparison isn't the same. If you compared my opinion of Roughriders to UND choosing "Imperials" for a nickname, the comparisons would be the same. We could all pay homage to Imperial Palace; something Ralph Engelstad did in another part of his life, in another part of the country.
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Where do you think he learned to become a Rough Rider. No North Dakota, no Rough Riders.
Cowboys meeting Roosevelt for the first time at roundup took him for a weakling. “You could have spanned his waist with your two thumbs and fingers,” one rider recalled. Roosevelt didn’t help matters with his fussy gear: toothbrush, razor, bedroll and spectacles. No self-respecting cowboy wore eyeglasses. “When I went among strangers, I always had to spend 24 hours in living down the fact that I wore spectacles,” he wrote, “remaining as long as I could judiciously deaf to any side remarks about ‘four eyes,’ unless it became evident that my being quiet was misconstrued and that it was better to bring matters to a head at once.” At the roundup, he told one Texan who called him “Storm Windows” to “put up or shut up,” either fight or be friends. The Texan opted for friendship.
When the cowboys learned Roosevelt could ride 100 miles a day after a full night in the saddle and spend 40 hours on horseback while wearing out five horses, they came to respect him. Roosevelt explained years later, “As with all other forms of work, so on the roundup a man of ordinary power, who nevertheless does not shirk things merely because they are disagreeable or irksome, soon earns his place.”
After 32 days and a thousand miles on the trail, the other Badlands cowboys accepted Roosevelt as one of their own. One tough ranch foreman’s assessment: “That four-eyed maverick has sand in his craw a-plenty.” Roosevelt even received public acclaim in the Sioux Falls Daily Press, which wrote of him, “When he first went on the range, the cowboys took him for a dude, but soon they realized the stuff of which the youngster was built, and there is no man now who inspires such enthusiastic regard among them as he.”
As I've said before, if people like the name roughrider, that's just fine, we all have opinions.
People always mention stories about Teddy Roosevelt; why not mention a few stories about the Roughriders themselves? I think I know the answer...
The nickname committee had an opportunity to advance a few names that referred to the actual people that settled our state. As part of their criteria from the beginning, I thought a few of those names like Sodbusters or Settlers would've had a chance of advancing. But instead, the only name that attempts to honor ND heritage that is left on the list, is in fact a name that honors Teddy Roosevelt; not North Dakota. I didn't attend the University of Teddy Roosevelt.
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TR died in 1919.
If when UND dumped "Flickertails" (in the 1930s) and put in "Roughriders" (to remember TR and his time in ND) would it be an issue?
< Beware, blasphemy to follow >
Could the folks, in that 1930s vote, have made a mistake by selecting what they did (for us to have to deal with 80 years later)?
People in 1930 knew the Roughriders were a Cavalry that originated in Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, and New Mexico. They also knew that an attempt to raise a Roughriders division in World War I, failed. Roughriders would have never been considered by those folks as being something related to North Dakota.
Fast forward just 80 years, and after a couple decades of people "learning" their ND "history" from "Legendary" ND Tourism commercials, and suddenly we're all "Bully" for Roughriders. it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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In person, oral exam; Chewey and I as proctors. (jdub27 is my alternate; siouxphan27 is Chewey's alternate.)
Russ McDonald will not be part of this group.
Thank you for your consideration. Can I add some ND history questions to the exam?
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