Siouxphan27
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Someone better call the Trojans at USC and fill them in on this. They might want to change their name quickly so they do not get continually laughed at.
1912. History. Tradition.
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What are you? A sailor? Who uses condoms?............Austin Powers
Lol lol lol
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So, when you hear about Weston Dressler and Greg Hardin playing for the Saskatchewan Roughriders, you think of condoms? That would invoke the same thought process, I guess. Not for me.
I said people out of the region unfamiliar with the southwestern U.S. Cowboys who fought in Cuba.
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Yes, he laughed out loud. I said it's the best of the 7 and he still felt it was funny because "it's a condom."
Most people outside the area that aren't familiar with north Dakotas highest award, or north Dakotas fantasy connection to teddy Roosevelt's Roughriders, (which would be pretty much everyone outside the area), will think of condoms when hearing the name.
This is the stage of the process where the consultants earn their keep. But, the committee has disappointed thus far, so they will probably choose to ignore the experts' advice on Roughriders.
If it's chosen, maybe Spring Fest could be replaced with Ribbed Fest.
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We should ask the Trojans, all of them, how they deal with that:
Anderson College (Anderson, South Carolina)
Dakota State University (Madison, South Dakota)
Hannibal-LaGrange College (Hannibal, Missouri)
Mount Olive College (Mount Olive, North Carolina)
Taylor University (Upland, Indiana)
Trevecca Nazarene University (Nashville, Tennessee)
Trinity International University (Deerfield, Illinois)
Troy University (Troy, Alabama) (former name: Troy State University)
University of Arkansas-Little Rock (Little Rock, Arkansas)
University of Southern California (Los Angeles, California) (men's team)
Virginia State University (Petersburg, Virginia)
Goodness people, I thought universities promoted such things these days.
It ain't 1912 anymore, me boy! ( the year USC chose Trojans)
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Last new idea....and a last ditch effort to keep the Sioux logo alive.
First step is to choose "NoDaks" as our nickname. As much as I don't care for the name, it plays into my way of keeping the logo. But, what is a NoDak? We all know the answer, but it's generic. It's such a broad stroke for a very diverse state of people. My idea would expand on this nickname. Here's how...
Each athletic team would choose one of a number of major groups of people in the state, but modern and historic, and from men to women. The baseball team could be a soldier from a cavalry, the track team construction workers (male and female versions), the football team a [bison] hunter (thanks Tim!), etc.....Vikings, nationalities, construction workers, fishermen and hunters, etc, could all be represented. The possibilities are endless. We're all NoDaks!
And our hockey team would represent the Spirit Lake Sioux, by using the Sioux logo (any non-participating tribes would not be represented).
Each team would get to choose each year whom they'd like to represent with no regard to gender, race, etc...
Call me desperate!
Very good idea!
The possibilities are nearly endless here. The name can be shaped many different ways to reflect anything that North Dakota takes pride in.
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I worry about the consultant's capabilities and credentials if they know nothing about certain words beyond what they read on urban dictionary. Then again, maybe they are personally familiar with certain definitions of certain words, and unfamiliar with Teddy Roosevelt and his relationship with North Dakota.
Then again, that probably explains every consultant's fascination with < school color here > Hawks. It's "safe" and all they know.
It doesn't appear the consultants are using the urban dictionary for their research; if they were, Sundogs would've also been flagged as dirty.
I think they're just looking at the potential challenges of rebranding a very well known condom as a nickname.
I think their role is to help point out problems that could arise, and steer schools away from making risky/risqué decisions that could result in a choice that winds up backfiring.
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You mean the "Bully Pit"!! So many possibilities with Roughriders. The hockey teams new motto could be "Walk softly and carry a big stick"!
Maybe the same committee and consultants could convene and decide on the name of the new stadium?
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And if their isn't a dirty connotation that can be applied to a name, it probably sucks. And if the name doesn't suck then it probably has already been used by somebody. And if.....
We can go round and round forever. ITS A F'CKING NICKNAME. Get over yourselves. Pick a damn name and get this over with so the University and it's fans can move on and start investing our capital in something that matters.
The bolded part.... are you referring to Roughriders, or Sundoggers? Please specify.... :-)
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You do know that mentality, if followed by the committee, will leave UND with either _____ Hawks or Sundogs when this is all said and done? I do hope you fully understand that!
All the remaining new nickname choices fail to live up to the parameters set forth at the beginning of this process... and I find none of them to be great choices.
But, with what's left, If a nickname is chosen, i'd be fine with one of the Hawks, or Nodaks. North Dakota is filled with Hawks. Watching them sit stoically on a post, or hunt their prey in the fields never gets old.
Nodaks probably works for a majority of the no nickname crowd, and would allow for many possibilities for mascots and logos that reflect North Dakota pride.
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As has been pointed out, people can vote multiple times on some of these newspaper polls, and here at SiouxSports there's what, a hundred plus rubes that have voted.... is that enough to have a true pulse of all those who may vote?
a lot of people have mentioned we need to have a nickname, as it's important for branding, and like Norm on Cheers, everyone will now know our name. Nationwide, worldwide even.
But, when the consultants recommend that Roughrider is a poor choice for marketing and branding reasons because, outside of the immediate region, it is only well known for its dirty connotation, the pro nickname/pro Roughrider folks apparently all of a sudden don't care about branding and marketing ability outside the immediate region anymore. It's an interesting take, for sure.
The consultants have probably taken 5 minutes to read the Wikipedia entry concerning Roughriders, and realized that the Roughriders were not North Dakotans. Only one Roughrider, a 16 year old son of the Head Veterinarian at NDSU, was from North Dakota. The consultants are most likely struggling with the tangential link to get from southwestern U.S. cavalry group, to Teddy Roosevelt's time in North Dakota, to North Dakota nickname. (oh that's right, there's an award, lol) The consultants probably don't understand why some people are interested in choosing a condom name that creates marketing and branding challenges. The consultants were hired for a reason. Hopefully the committee doesn't go all rube and just do their own thing without taking any advice. Hopefully the committee listens to the consultants' concerns.
Where the rubber meets the road, Roughriders might be a hard sell.
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The fact that the consulting firm, which is making a killing financially with this bogus process, questions the marketability of Ridas because of their perceived "dirty" connotation is absurd.
The only thing I have seen that has been "dirty" in this process is the Kelley minions, Russ, et al shoving Sundogs down the peace pipes of everyone formally involved in this mess right now.
I suppose the consulting firm's concern is if Roughriders is chosen, UND will be subject to a lot of ribbing.
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The committee members obviously disapprove of the military.
Lol yes, apparently they do.
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Anyone know what was said in the meeting that prompted them to eliminate Cavalry and Explorers before the voting tonight?
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Hopefully those Sundoggers used a Roughrider.
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someone in that committee better mention that Teddy Roosevelt shot Bizon
I don't believe " Teddy Roosevelt" is one of the remaining choices..
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Did anyone mention pride being joined at the hip with gay? Or didn't anyone have the balls to say that?
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When they say "immigrants" they're referring to Norwegians, right?
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Chewey for President!!!
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If UND chooses Roughriders I hope students don't steal Texas Tech's "Guns Up" like NDSU stole Texas's "Hook em Horns".
They'll probably come up with something clever involving studded condoms instead.
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UND Albatrosses! Makes perfect sense!
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I completely agree with you. How is North Stars any more marketable than Sundogs, Spirit, Force, or Fighting Green? Its still better than those names but still belongs in the same category as them. Personally I think the best nicknames are people or animals.
The committee could have selected any animal that is associated with North Dakota instead they selected a hawk. I've seen more crows (or are they ravens?) in Grand Forks than anywhere else. We could have chosen some sort of lesser used name like a fish (northern pike), bird (mallards, crows/ravens, pheasant, meadowlarks, owls), deer or moose (mulies, bucks), predator (foxes, wolves, mountain lions, coyotes), rodent (flicker tail), or horse (nokota) that are native to the state. I know a lot of schools use wolves and South Dakota uses coyotes so those would have probably not been too great. I'm sure some school somewhere uses the other animals I listed but not many and definitely not as much as hawks. We could have came up with a good animal nickname but instead we chose the same animal every university chose along with an adjective that doesn't make sense for hawks all because some outside advisor told the committee that we should do the same thing as everyone else.
As far as the people based nicknames go, I could live with any of them. They are all associated with the state in some way (state nickname, Lewis and Clark expedition, military history, and Nodaks). They are all unique. They have potential for cool logos and easy marketing (Nodaks may be more difficult than the other but smarter people than me would figure it out). They all have their drawbacks, but I think people would grow to like any of them which is something I don't think you could say about the adjective hawks or WNBA names.
If the committee wanted to give us an inanimate object nickname, they could have selected one of many categories that are actually associated with North Dakota. They could have chosen agriculture (reapers, sodbusters, etc.), aviation (jets, aviators, etc.), or oil industry (oilers, roughnecks, etc.). They could have chosen something to do with the badlands or prairie. Arrows are on the state flag. I was always partial to that name but what can you do when some moron decides that only Natives used arrows. Instead they chose an inanimate associated completely with Minnesota or else associated with nowhere (Blaze and Sundogs).
As far as intangible nicknames go, those should be left to the WNBA. I've never met a person that could even stomach a name like pride, spirit, or force. And of course fighting green is two adjectives describing nothing resulting in what would definitely be considered the dumbest nickname of any team, anywhere, in the history of the known universe.
To summarize my rant, UND could have came up with a lot of decent nicknames that could have grown on people that have an open mind (so ignoring the Fighting Sioux forever cabal). Instead the committee did a terrible job and came up with no nickname (which I hated until I saw the list), 6 nicknames that everyone hates, 3 bland and nonsensical animal nicknames, and an inanimate nickname strongly associated with another state. This results in only 4 nicknames that could meet the requirement of being unique and realistically grow on people out of the plethora of possibilities. Going 4 for 15 isn't even good in baseball, let alone this. I am extremely disappointed in the committee and the university.
Nice post.
I am also disappointed in the job the committee with "expert" help did in narrowing the list. They could've just asked a flaming gay guy with a bird fetish and came up with this exact same top 15.
Disclaimer:
(Nothing against flaming, gays, guys, birds, or fetishes)
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Minnesota is called the North Star state.
We aren't.
But we are called thr Roughrider state.
I don't dislike the Noth Star idea on it's name alone, only because the context does not fit.
Interesting side note.... There are just many North Stars (just one), as there were Roughriders who were from North Dakota that went to battle with Teddy Roosevelt in Cuba. (Just one- Jesse Langdon)
If Roughriders is chosen, it would be a nice tribute to that "northern star" of the Roughriders Jesse Langdon, the son of the head veterinarian at ndsu in the 1890's.
Or maybe Cavalry makes more sense....
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Someone posted here earlier the "experts" advising the committee are pushing the three hawk choices.
So my wild guess is their top three will be one each from three different types of names...
_____Hawks
Abstract concept of choice
Roughriders, Cavalry, or Explorers
If North Dakota makes the cut, who knows......
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I like this idea. Very good points about tying in to the Sioux logos in the Ralph.