Siouxphan27
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Lets go Expos?
Not a bad idea. It definitely would help make the name less of a mouthful.
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I know there's been a lot of discussion, pro and con, in the other nickname threads, but I thought it would be interesting to gather a list of drawbacks for each potential name in one place. Though every name has some drawbacks that lead some people not to like it, it seems some are much a bigger deal than others (e.g. I don't think Red River High using RoughRiders is nearly as big a deal as North Stars being associated with Minnesota).
It would be great if we could keep the discussion in this thread to a minimum (I'm hoping to just gather a list of the negatives), and I suppose we have to let profanity slide a bit.
What's the biggest negative you can think of about the name(s) you don't like?
Blaze
Cavalry
Explorers
Fighting Green
Fighting Hawks
Force
Green Hawks
Nodaks
North Dakota
North Stars
Pride
Roughriders
Spirit
Sundogs
Thunderhawks
Ok, i'll give the negatives idea a try....
Blaze- UND Blaze? Blaze of what? what is a blaze? just dumb...
Cavalry - no negatives here- there were Cavalry in ND, so it is historically relevant.
Explorers - not a bad choice given the crappy list- but not real catchy. Explorers Yeah Yeah! Yeah Explorers Explorers!
?Fighting Green- not a thing is it's biggest negative. can't believe it made the list
Fighting Hawks- not the worst since there's so few good ones. But i'm not a fan of all these dumb Big Bird type mascots.
Force -what is this, Star Wars?
Green Hawks - again not a fan of Big Bird mascots
Nodaks - nothing wrong with this choice. it's been used before.
North Dakota - Perfect. As the saying goes, if you can't say something that isn't lame, don't say anything at all.
North Stars - Maybe we could hire Oliver North to be the P.A. announcer while we're at it.
Pride - When's the parade?
Roughriders - not historically accurate as T.R.'s Roughriders were not from ND. But historical significance left this exercise 63 names ago. So not the worst
Spirit - brought to you by Happy Harry's
Sundogs -the mamby pamby rainbow connotation does not evoke any sense of power or competitiveness.
Thunderhawks- How many Ornithologists are on this committee anyway?
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How we wish it would be vs. how it will likely be:
"The University of North Dakota is the home of the Pride/Spirit/Sundogs. UND chose the name Pride/Spirit/Sundogs in 2015 to honor the diversity of our community. It epitomizes openness, tolerance, acceptance, inclusiveness, peace, and harmony. Please use good sportspersonship tonight as you cheer our team on in friendly competition, which hopefully results in a tie so no one's feelings get hurt and we can share a big group hug with our opponents' fans after the event concludes. Thank you."
Very, very well done.... and quite possibly sad but true. augh
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Interesting on the forum poll. I also notice Sundogs is really high which leads me to believe bison fans are voting for some of those unpopular names. They also don't show the total number of votes which makes it tough to get a read. The committee needs to realize because this vote is open to everyone (big mistake) the dumbest name will be voted on by NDSU fans and others. That means they should probably get a good pulse on what UND fans actually want so there are no bad choices on the final vote.
I will go out on a limb and say this will not be open to everyone. Yes, it is being called a public vote. But I believe just saying "public" is becoming a little confusing.... being a public vote does not always mean everyone is eligible to vote. Just like a general election is a public vote, you still need to meet certain criteria to vote in your precinct for the people running in your district. The nickname vote will hopefully be handled similarly with a set of criteria that must be met to be eligible to vote.
An email requesting a reply to the list of nickname finalists, sent to all current students and alumni would suffice in my opinion. If for some reason the university does not have someone's email address, that person is responsible for contacting the university, proving who they are, and registering their vote.
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It's sure interesting reading all the differing opinions....
On one hand, if you prefer to go forward with no nickname, you are accused of holding UND back, as purported millions of nickname merchandise revenue will be left on the table, as people from all corners of the globe who had previously never heard of UND will suddenly purchase shirts that say UND Sundogs on them.
Not to mention the loss of revenue from rich folks with no UND affiliation who might channel surf one evening and stumble upon a Traditional Circle of Sticks and see that Sundog logo and say to themselves, that nickname is cool! I gotta donate copious amounts of money to that school!
And last but not least, when large research grants are being doled out to Universities, the deciding factor of who gets the grant and who doesn't, will inevitably come down to how cool the nicknames are of the top three finalist Universities.
Yet some of the people accusing the no nickname crowd of holding UND back, are readily admitting they won't buy "Shiite" that "just says UND" on it.
Interesting indeed.
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My god, stop saying this!
The reason sales have been down since the nickname stuff ran out is because no one wants to buy something that is changing soon again! I'm NOT in marketing and yet I'm smart enough to know this!
Exactly. And also, people bought lifetime supplies of Sioux gear near the end, so it's understandable sales would be down.
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I'm thinking using the Slippery Rock model, "The Rock", won't work for UND.
I just don't see the NCAA being good with "The Dakota".
If it were used to like that, it would be in reference to the state of North Dakota. Not the Dakota tribe.
UNDs use of "we are North Dakota", irks some of the NDSU people. If we also said" we are Dakota", that would help tick off the South Dakota schools. It's a win-win for UND in both of the Dakotas
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Seems reasonably well maintained.
What I noticed:
Of the "no nickname" schools (and the "I don't know if they have one" schools) there's only one playing NCAA Division I athletics without a nickname.
You only get one guess as to whom it is.
Don't have time to look, but I believe Slippery Rock uses Rock, and doesn't have another nickname.
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If we choose Thunderhawks, can we use this image as inspiration? Thunder Hawk was a member of the Hunkpapa Indians and a companion of Sitting Bull.
I would've been ok with the UND Hunkpapas. Darnit, too late!
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Actually, having sat through a lot of these committee meetings, I would say that McDonald is one of the least vocal and influential in the room (actually, he's seldom in the room.... he attends via teleconference). It would be a close race between him and the staff representative on the panel. Lowell Schweigert always seems to be the most vocal and engaged... him and Bridewell.
I guess I was just referencing his ability to play the race card and trump everyone else. He could just say staying without a nickname will be racist because people will then still use fighting Sioux.
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Time for someone on the committee to step up and take North Dakota off the list. Shouldn't be an option. This committee needs to think about the long term effects that has on UND. Don't care what the hockey only fans or the hockey only writers think, would be a big mistake for the school. Roughriders or Cavalry will do just fine. Time to move on.
You will need to talk to McDonald if you would like one person on the commitee to single handedly eliminate a choice; he's the only member who wields that much power.
I think your assumption that people who want North Dakota are hockey only fans, is extremely inaccurate.
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Until BRIDGES finds a Native American appalled by the use of the sacred word "Spirit" and we hop on the nickname merry-go-round all over again.
Very true. I would not be surprised if a similar problem with BRIDGES occurs for either Cavalry or Roughriders.
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The first six I would like to see hacked from the list in no particular order:
1. Blaze a horse with a white blaze, or what is this describing exactly?
2. Fighting Green salad shooters?
3. Force what is a force?
4. North Stars Minnesota for one reason, and NORTH Dakota NORTH Stars is another
5. Pride all I got here is WTF
6. Spirit we got spirit, yes we do.... but we are not actually the spirits themselves. abstract concepts are poor choices for a name.
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I'm stunned that those folks who think "Arrows" and a phony "breed" of horses are too associated with Native American imagery or SOUND like Native American imagery seem to think "Spirit" is a good idea.
That's because it's really not about what is truly "offensive". Rather, it's about having more control of the process by being able to pick and choose which names related to NA culture they like (not offensive), and which names they don't like (offensive).
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They spelled Blais wrong.
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I agree I thought the list would be down to like 10 by now.
They're waiting for McDonald to tell them what the top ten are.
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He has a neck tattoo... Who would've thunk it?
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With everyone 70 miles south so concerned about our possible nickname options, and crying and whining about anything and everything. Can we just be the North Dakota Nobody's? Then, Nobody can complain! Problem solved.
North Dakota Nobody's... or, NDN's for short. Oops, maybe not.
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You think the same mess would have occurred if it would have been a statue of the Prophet Mohammed?
Simple question..................
The guy would've been killed by ISIS long before the legal circus got underway..
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The entire process has been and will continue to be corrupted. Which is all the more reason to stay North Dakota- no nickname needed.
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The NA's already have a nickname committee member that is able to, and has already single handedly rejected name ideas that may carry a NA connotation. I'm surprised Old McDonald hasn't denounced no name and cavalry yet.
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I've stated multiple times I really don't care what UND chooses, just want what is best for UND. Yes, Roughriders is my favorite and based on what i've seen and heard i'm not the only one who thinks that, but i'd be fine with lots of different names. Even if it's something I don't like I'll get to like it over time because i support UND not a nickname.
As do I- we just have vastly different opinions.
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Is Teddy not "Roughrider" Enough? A new book coming soon.
No- "Roughriders" weren't North Dakota, at all. But some on here have a hard time digesting actual facts, and prefer their imagination land version of historical events.
I've heard the phrase We Are North Dakota.... But strangely enough I've never heard anyone yell We Are Teddy Roosevelt.
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Your argument against Teddy R and the name Rough Riders is tiresome. I don't want to repeat myself, but again it doesn't matter how many ND residents fought for the Rough Riders, it doesn't matter how long Teddy R lived in ND, and it doesn't matter the Rough Riders isn't the "official," state nickname.
What matters is the name is and has been engrained in the culture and the people of this state for as long as I can remember. How that came to be doesn't matter. North Dakota residents are proud to be associated with Teddy Roosevelt and they are proud to be associated with the name Rough Riders. You can stop with all the other talk because it doesn't matter. Facts are facts, and the Rough Rider name being tied to ND and ND residents is a fact. Did you actually grow up in ND or were you a transplant that just went to school here? If so I understand, but if you actually grew up in ND I don't see how you do not know how much that name has been apart of the states culture for a very long time. As a ND resident myself, I am proud to be associated with Teddy R and the Rough Rider name and would be proud to have UND take that as a nickname. ND people are strong, tough, hard working people, who stand up for what's right.......kind of like a group of people Teddy R led to battle back in the day.
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greatnames to choose from, but Rough Riders makes the most sense by far. As GFhockey and the GOBC like to say.....ROLLLLL RIDASI find your arguments and constant campaigning for Roughriders tiresome as well. However, this is a discussion board for opinions is it not? Roughriders may be a popular saying in the western part of the state, but not in the east.
As to your question, yes, I did grow up in North Dakota. My ancestors like i'm sure many others that post here walked across Wisconsin and Minnesota 136 years ago with an ox and cart and just the clothes on their back, and homesteaded in North Dakota. If the nickname is intended to honor anyone, why not the actual settlers that came here and carved out a life here? But yet the lame brain committee has struck down all names like Homesteaders, Settlers, Pioneers, (yes I've heard of Denver), as well as all Scandinavian related names.
So we are left with Roughriders, which honors Teddy Roosevelt and something he did in another phase of his life. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Our ancestors spent the 1870s barely surviving a trek into the unknown wild prairies of Dakota Territory. Teddy Roosevelt spent the 1870s as a child of wealthy New Yorkers, vacationing with his family in Europe and Egypt. He later came here on a hunting trip, loved it, and plunked $14000 down on a ranch. He hired cowboys, and a crew to build him one of the finest homes in the area, and then galloped his way back to New York to finish his term. I guess I don't see him as one of us. Great President, yes. But not a North Dakotan.
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The New Nickname vs. No Nickname Debate Thread
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LOL. UND Ostriches for the compromise?