Siouxphan27
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When is the rally to help ensure ----(insert one of the five choices)-----gets on the ballot?
is there a park in grand forks large enough to accommodate the crowd that would attend?
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If the turnout for a rally held outside during a thunderstorm warning is the true barometer of support for a cause, I have to ask how well attended have the sundogs, fighting hawks, roughriders, north stars, and nodaks rallies been?
What's that? There haven't been any rallies organized in support of those names? Even though there is no guarantee that all of those names will be on the ballot for the public vote? Huh, interesting.
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15% of the students voted to keep North Dakota on the ballot.
15% of the students voted to keep North Dakota on the ballot.
5% voted to not have North Dakota on the ballot.
statistics are fun!!!
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Yet it managed to have the lowest score twice among remaining nicknames and was eventually cut by the committee selected to represent stakeholders. But keep telling yourself its only 4 people that see it for what it is. If the "no nickname" crowd could get over their obsession with an inanimate object, we wouldn't be having this discussion. No one is saying to forget about it and pretend it never existed, just take it off the pedestal and look at the big picture.
students just voted 3 to 1 to keep North Dakota on the ballot. Yet 3 of 4 "representatives" on the committee voted to take it off.
It's pretty obvious the committee members represented only themselves and voted accordingly, yielding the cluster of 5 choices that remain.
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OK, so we need a native born son done good to use the name of his followers ... roger that ... I see the future ...
< arena lights drop >
< bubble machine fires up full bore >
"Here comes your University of North Dakota ... ORCHESTRA!"
< lights come up full and Lawrence Welk mascot carrying interlocked ND flag comes onto playing surface >
< team comes out of the tunnel through a maze of bubbles onto the surface >
< and the fans all cheer >
"An' a one! An' a two!"
yes-Either natives of the state, or if it's a name representing a group, at least more than two of them having stepped foot in the state.
The "orchestra"would not be the most fierce name, but it would fit nicely in this current group of five we have. If honoring Welk i would go with the UND Super Conductors!
and then have Myron Floren lead the we will rock you cheers on his accordion. :-)
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Naw, just where a Colonel of the unit lived.
one member, from New York,had a hobby ranch in North Dakota. That's the connection... Everyone else except for the son of the head veterinarian at NDSU was from the southwest... Hmmm....
but, there's an award. ;-)
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Please go and help those folks in the southwestern part of ND working under the Succeed 2020 grant.
southwest north Dakota .... That's where San Juan Hill is, right?
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Being North Dakota is not unique. It's a state name. "We are one, we are North Dakota" should be used by the state tourism agency.
I believe the ND tourism dept. prefers to use slogans that refer to cowboys from the desert southwest who volunteered for the Spanish American War.
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OK, so you are indifferent to the old Sioux name and long ago accepted that it's gone. What is the problem then?
I am still waiting to hear what these brand new, shiny nicknames are that everyone is going to agree upon 2-3 years from now?
I'd suggest one of the several names on the list having something to do with the state's history, the settlers, the industries, or having something to do with one of the programs offered by UND.
But all those choices were rejected in rube like fashion with no thought process by the committee other than- I personally don't like this particular name, so let's Shiite can it.
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What is wrong with Roughriders?!!
Evidently you have me on "ignore."
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Where's the petition that I hear is going around North Dakota to stop LSS?
What if they got enough votes to put it on the states ballot?
Bye. Bye. Will there new building get foreclosed and turned into something useful like a Hooter Restaurant?!
just one hooter? That's what I call operating on a shoestring budget. Or a g string budget.
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So roughly 3 to 1, students that voted chose to keep North Dakota on the ballot. but 3 out of 4 student representatives on the committee voted to take it off the ballot.
"Government of the people, by the people.....meh, screw the people.
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What do we want? Nothing!!
When do we want it? Now!!
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Another poster (they can "out" themselves if they so choose) pointed this out to me:
We're running with an unofficial statement (unvetted by UND attorneys) from a UND official from an unnamed NCAA source. Presumably that unnamed NCAA source wasn't reading an official statement or else that official statement would've been turned over by UND (as they should have a copy from the NCAA).
Do we really have anything more than we did two weeks ago?
Good point. Appears all we have is rumors and speculation. Sure would be nice to get an official statement from Roberto sometime before Christmas.
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Not going to say they are set in stone; however, going after all "human" nicknames, after they couldn't get all the Native American nicknames, is something I don't expect them to try for a couple reasons:
- They couldn't get all the "race, ethnicity, or national origin" names because of a few power players, so why do they think they can get "all humans" done?
- Going after "all humans" brings in even more power players to the fight against them (and the NCAA hates losing)
It comes down to this: the NCAA was tired of hearing the haranguing by a few dedicated career protesters over a couple nicknames so they ham-handedly tried something that partially worked. It hit the little guys. As long as they don't hear those nicknames, and don't hear the associated haranguing, they'll ignore the nickname issue. But as they said, as soon as they start hearing the noise again, they bring the sanctions out again (most likely by some new ham-handed policy).
I hear ya. it's understandable if that is the ncaa's stance, at this time. as we continue down the PC road of insanity, the ncaa may feel pressure in the future from other constantly offended groups. Midgets is now controversial.
Even if it's not the ncaa that has a problem with a certain "human" name, if other groups of wake up offended-type folks do, time and resources will be wasted.
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The NCAA policy is framed around "race, ethnicity, or national origin" and they couldn't even enforce that one fully. See: Fighting Irish, Seminoles, Vandals, Utes, Spartans*, Trojans*.
If they try again, Roughriders would be in category with Minutemen, Mountaineers, Volunteers, and (gulp) Cowboys. Sooners, Hoosiers, Cornhuskers, and Boilermakers probably fall in the category also.
I'm not sweating Roughriders in light of those.
* Sparta and Troy were city-states, or "nations of origin" by today's standards.
Interesting take. So in this instance the ncaa's policies are permanently set in stone?
After all the hullabaloo about the ncaa and what punishment they may drum up for going without a nickname, it just seems like a bad idea to go with any name with a human element. One person complains that Nodakers is derogatory, or one person claims Roughriders were racist gun toting white cowboys from the desert southwest, and all of a sudden we have a new headache on our hands.
go sUNDawgs!! a daschUND would be a solid mascot.
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My question is why in the world does anyone want to risk going down this road again with a name like Roughriders?
It's puzzling to see some people stressing moving on from Fighting Sioux, while at the same time championing the cause for another "human-based" name, for lack of a better term.
Nodaks should be off the table as well given the hypersensitive path this nickname quest is on.
Hawks, Sun, or Stars. Yay.
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I would love to see UND take the NCAA to court for trying to force unfair sanctions on a university based on words uttered by a third party.
The reality is it would never come to that. This silly, weak response from the NCAA is proof they know they have no leg to stand on. It's a green light for no nickname.
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I know the difference between alumnus and alumni. It was a fantasy football team name that I had with two buddies and I have the same email account for it, so I just used it . There are a lot of people here who have Sioux in their name. Are they trying to represent the thoughts and opinions of all Sioux natives?
Looks like we finally have the answer to the riddle of how many ndsu graduates it takes to run a fantasy football team.
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You anti-dentite bastard!!
Next thing you know he'll be saying they should have their own schools
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Aren't We Sued Enough?
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If UND chose "no nickname" would you continue to yell Sioux?
How about we all yell Voldemort?
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Is it white sand? If so, I'm fine with it.Significant difference between giving someone permission (your scenario 1) and reserving the right to take whatever stance you'd like in the future (my scenario 3).
Does the group the refuses to acknowledge that there could possibly be any negative consequences get to be the "head in the sand" crowd since you're tossing out names?
Didn't mean to offend by saying tinfoil hat. I happen to think they're quite stylish if worn for the right cause.
All we have is rampant speculation regarding what the NCAA may or may not do. Kelley needs to finally ask the NCAA, or if he's asked, share with the public what he has already found out from the NCAA so we can stop the insanity. With the 5 lackluster choices coupled with the following no nickname has right now, he needs to lead for once on this issue, immediately.
I'm a no nicknamer until we hear otherwise from the NCAA. And if they say no, I'll moooove on to support one of the lame names.
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I never know with you. A smiley for tone would help.
sorry Sic. just assume sarcasm with me. it's a curse.
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Nice post.
I'll add that the hypocrisy of some in the name at all costs crowd is particularly amusing. While admonishing those of us in favor of no nickname, I have seen comments from at least three of the half dozen name-at-all-costs diehard posters about how adamant they are against Sundogs and they call it unacceptable. Like it or not, it's still a finalist and there's a real possibility Sundogs could be chosen. So, pick a side people....pick a side.