Siouxphan27
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How many teams are in the ncaa? How many broadcast crews will do und games each year? You can bet the teams UND plays and the announcer teams will continue to change.
Unless those schools live in a cave, they will have heard.
But if they do in fact live in a cave and we choose a new nickname, they will also be wasting valuable pre broadcast and broadcast time, talking about the" new" name, even if it's 5 years down the road due to their aforementioned cave dwelling lifestyle. So now the discussion has come full circle. Talking about new name/talking about no name = same amount of time spent talking about each.
Glad we solved that. Thank you.
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There will eventually be an end to the questions about the new nickname. There would never be an end if und didn't pick a name.
I disagree. I can't imagine a scenario where the other schools and the media repeatedly ask the same questions over and over again every few months. That's sort of the definition of insanity.
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So if I'm reading this correctly, if UND goes forward without a nickname, valuable broadcast and pre broadcast time will be wasted. But, if UND does choose a nickname, zero time will be wasted, as no one from other schools will bother to ask about the new name or how it was chosen; it will be just business as usual and the new name will only be uttered as a last resort during the course of live game action.
Got it.
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Again I will ask the question how many more games would we have won had we had a nickname or the past three years?
How many more people would have been at basketball games had we had a nickname?
The cooling off period was idiotic because it allowed all this divisiveness to fester, however not having a nickname did not damage any of our athletic or academic programs. Volleyball and Women's Basketball both won conference titles under the no nickname banner, Baseball has had their most noteworthy seasons in a long time, and the football program has a shot of energy. The argument not having a nickname somehow hurts every sport except hockey does not hold up for me at all. However if a big donor out of the 6000 petitioned people (speculative, however if i'm 1% right that's 60 donors) decides they want to dispose their income elsewhere over this issue we lose far greater than by maintaining the status quo, and it's the non-revenue sports that will suffer because of that.
Eleventy-two?
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I've got it; let's just have Darell's mom and Jayson Hadju decide on the name for us.
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The NCAA put Marco Hunt on the ice with UND after UND got him removed from the list of NCHC officials. Was it so we could kiss and make up?
You just answered your own question as to why he was put on the ice. Had nothing to do with the choice North Dakota still being on the nickname list at the time.
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Gotta love the conspiracy theorist out there!! They make rationale topics so much more interesting!!
That's a far milder conspiracy theory than the one about our least favorite hockey ref, sending us a "message" from the NCAA that we better pick a name. Just saying- plenty of speculation from all sides.
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Again I will ask the question how many more games would we have won had we had a nickname or the past three years?
How many more people would have been at basketball games had we had a nickname?
The cooling off period was idiotic because it allowed all this divisiveness to fester, however not having a nickname did not damage any of our athletic or academic programs. Volleyball and Women's Basketball both won conference titles under the no nickname banner, Baseball has had their most noteworthy seasons in a long time, and the football program has a shot of energy. The argument not having a nickname somehow hurts every sport except hockey does not hold up for me at all. However if a big donor out of the 6000 petitioned people (speculative, however if i'm 1% right that's 60 donors) decides they want to dispose their income elsewhere over this issue we lose far greater than by maintaining the status quo, and it's the non-revenue sports that will suffer because of that.
exactly right. I would give you a thumbs up, but alas, I am out for the day.
Off topic- What's up with the rationing of thumbs anyway?
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These nebulous "potential donors" that many who want no nickname keep referring to are about has hazy and imminent as those "potential NCAA and Big Sky sanctions and penalties" that the new nickname crowd likes to trot out.
Hell, if we stay just "North Dakota," I'm expecting Phase II of the HPC to get shovels in the ground this fall and for all of our athletic scholarship issues to be a thing of the past with all the donations that are going to start rolling in.
Good post.
But i'm confused; I thought new tshirts that said Roughriders or Sundogs would result in millions more from merchandise revenue, and would also guarantee success on the field, court, and rink because fans at the games wouldn't be discussing why we don't have a nickname..
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So just out of curiousity, what happens if Roughriders is eliminated but the No nickname option remains? You think these threads were entertaining the last few days, imagine how they'd be if that happens?
I would be really, really happy. And I think we can all agree, that is what's most important, right?
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Not going to elaborate on whether or not I think UND should remain North Dakota, those who have been on these message boards know my position well enough on the nickname, and even more so my opinion on this appalling process.
That being said, I do have to laugh and shake my head at some of you. Since the North Dakota was eliminated from consideration, some (not all) of you (Anti- "North Dakota"/Anti-No Nickname) crowd, have been posting comments and opinions blasting people for even being upset. Of course people are going to be upset! The Fighting Sioux nickname was something people were incredibly passionate about. Moving on from the name was already hard enough, and I think people were able to cope with just North Dakota. Asking people to move on again, from North Dakota, and replace the nickname completely is going to be difficult. Don’t argue me on the benefits of moving on, I understand them, as do many others, but understanding your arguments an reasoning doesn’t mean I agree with them or am willing to change my own opinion. Just as I don’t expect my reasoning or arguments to change yours.
This same crowd is now blowing up the message board, stating how ridiculous this is, that the President has no backbone (which I agree, he doesn’t), that this committee is a job, etc. While I think we can all agree on most of these points based on the process; the funny part is that as soon as the process turns away from your opinions, you explode in anger, when mere days ago this same group of people was stating (to paraphrase), “That’s the way it is. Get over it and move on”
Not saying this changes anything, or that UND will even have the opportunity to remain North Dakota. BUT when you are going to rant on the message board about how people are being stupid, and they need to just get over an issue that they are passionate about and invested in, remember that their passion and emotion may match, or even exceed, yours about that very same issue; even if their opinion is on the opposite end of the spectrum. It is far easier to find common ground, if you understand and empathize with someone, rather than chastise them; even if you don’t agree with their view.
Go North Dakota!
(stepping off my soapbox)
Nominated for post of the year.
I hope as you stepped off your soapbox, you dropped the mic!
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So what will be the fallout if the public votes goes for RR by a large margin (it seems to be the overwhelming choice of the 5 left) but that pick in turn is rejected by Kelley AFTER this whole debacle with the no nickname situation?
The now immortalized words of Lowell Schweigert will be used to remind Roughriders supporters that (paraphrasing here) -sometimes the popular choice is not the right choice.
Roughriders supporters will then be ridiculed on Siouxsports for their "wrong" opinion, and will be told to move on. Sound familiar?
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Trademarked by UrbanDictionary.com already.
Augh, more proof all the good ones are taken!
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Sorry, I hit the wrong button, I agree with this take- meant to give you a plus 1 in rep on this, but inadvertently hit the -1 one. I think from now on I'll just use the reply +1. Technology (headshake)
Lol it's all good my friend!
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UND Tundra was eliminated...
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this^^^^
I am in the "North Dakota" camp not the "Fighing Sioux Forever" camp although some of the geniuses on here don't think that is possible.
We went through the process of coming up with a unique name that would get people excited about a new moniker and identity......well, despite the best efforts of some on the committee, the process failed to obtain an acceptable result so now they want us to say aw !@#$ it, it's good enough when we should have the common sense to A---scrap it and start over or B--table it for now or C--take another look at some of the names that were put in the scrap pile because there were certainly 10-12 names that were scrapped that had some imagination and marketing possibilities and uniqueness to them and were far better than what is left.
All of this ^^^^^^^^^
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I love folks that huff and puff and bluster on social media, but when you ask them what tangible actions have they taken you get nothing in response.
Amen!
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I'm wondering why Fighting Slapnuts didn't make the final list.
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Sorry to bring this up again, but the petition is all the way up to 3,000, so roughly 57,000 fans are not worked up enough to sign the petition. How long does the petition need to be posted to get to half (or a majority)? The majority of the fans upset/acting out on social media will be highest shortly after the event that caused them to become upset so I don't think we need to wait a couple years so people "have more time" to sign the petition. If it get up close to or passes 30,000 signatures then you can say the majority of UND fans on social media are upset and want to keep the "no nickname" option. I don't think it will come close to even 20,000...I could be wrong.
Edit: Looked at the petition wrong. It's up to 3700. Their goal is 5,000. I'm sure they will reach the goal, but still far from reaching a majority of UND fans supporting their cause.
This is silly. Not everyone has reached the level of social interaction ineptitude where they use thumbs up or thumbs down on the internet, and then feel as if they've accomplished something. For the record I like UND, but haven't bothered to "like" the UND Facebook page, either.
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I have been meaning to post this for awhile however I just thought about it again yesterday. Why do we have to have a nickname? Many say it has something to do with branding and marketability.
I live in the twin cities and am involved in hockey here, so am at the rinks quite bit. When I look around at the kids I tend to notice a ton of UND hats, shirts, etc. Some have the Sioux logos but many of these youngsters have the new logo. Actually, if I would rank the team support I see from many of the kids in this area it is probably the Wild, Gophers, and UND (in that order). I notice UND apparel so much here, in every sporting goods store. I honestly don't think marketability would be an issue whatsoever. The hockey program alone keeps that strong.
I agree and have said so on here numerous times. The scare tactic about merchandise and marketability is just that- a scare tactic.
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As I told a friend a couple weeks ago, we have 7 wheelbarrows in front of us. Each is made of pure gold. Six of the seven have varying levels of horse manure in them, and the seventh is empty. Given your choice of wheelbarrows, which one would you choose?
Now, sadly, the Maleficent Seven have been reduced to the Fancrapstic Five, and all five wheelbarrows contain manure, and the flies are on their way.
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The last time I checked, less than 50% of the states had flagship schools using the state nickname as the school nickname.
And to add to this, we've already done this with ND nicknames. Twice. Time for a change.
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Anyone who has ever lived knows that beaver has an alternate meaning so it is wonder how Oregon State has survived all these years.
True. Although i'd argue Oregon State's Beavers were actually from Oregon. (they weren't beavers that a New York politician recruited from the states of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma.)
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Yup. They've done their job and submitted five names.
There will be a non-binding vote and then Kelley decides whether to honor that vote, choose a name from the ones voted on, or go with an entirely different name.
So, we either rally around one name to make it difficult for him to choose something different, or trust in Kelley that he will make the correct decision. I say rally.
I agree- let's just rally around whichever name I decide I like the best- that makes the most sense from my point of view.
Vote on your final 5 nickname choices (just ND is out)
in UND Nickname
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