Siouxphan27
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Yup. They've done their job and submitted five names.
There will be a non-binding vote and then Kelley decides whether to honor that vote, choose a name from the ones voted on, or go with an entirely different name.
So, we either rally around one name to make it difficult for him to choose something different, or trust in Kelley that he will make the correct decision. I say rally.
I agree- let's just rally around whichever name I decide I like the best- that makes the most sense from my point of view.
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Maybe I've missed some info lately....But....If the committee's job is done now anyway, what was the point of the threat to disband the committee if 'North Dakota' remained on the list to hand in to the El Presidente?
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I haven't read the nickname threads for about 3 weeks....what a pleasant 3 weeks it has been.
I would have voted North Dakota if it was still an option assuming we get a vote. I don't understand the vitriol directed at those that would've voted for North Dakota. It's not accurate to assume everyone of us are fighting Sioux forever fanatics. It's also inaccurate to believe fighting Sioux chants and support will disappear whether a new name was chosen or not.
A few reasons I liked North Dakota- 1. Unique, 2. Indirectly tells the PC and NCAA to pound sand. 3. The selection process has been a disaster leaving only generic and poor options.
Now that North Dakota is off the table I'll move forward and support one of the other options....I'm leaning towards anything that doesn't risk portraying UND as racist white cowboys, or honor an inaccurate representation of North Dakota history, or shares its name with a condom, or will be shortened and be the same as a brand of Mom Jeans sold by Lee. Hmmm.... I guess my list is down to 4.... :-)
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That's pretty much the definition of a traveling trophy. One side can't unilaterally decide to just keep the trophy. It's not theirs to keep.
Do any of you have any evidence that NDSU, Blue Key, or any other party ever actually agreed that the trophy would only be contested in "annual" games, or that there was ever any agreement of the parties that UND's settlement with the NCAA affected NDSU's rights to the trophy in any way? If not, the terms are that the current holder brings the trophy to the next game and the winner of that game gets possession of it until they lose it on the field. If UND can't do that, it needs to work something out with NDSU. To my knowledge, it has not.
Would the definition of a traveling trophy also include any information about one side unilaterally refusing to travel 70 miles?
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Their flag had the same insignia as the Roughrider regiment. That's a fact, even if there were others with the same insignia. It surely didn't differentiate them from the Roughriders. Even with that, you go on to insult North Dakotans like myself by ignoring the historical references to Theodore Roosevelt and his ties to the state.
Myself and many North Dakotans are extremely proud of the legacy of these ties and the fact that Roosevelt himself said he never would have become president without the time he spent in North Dakota.
To say anything otherwise is an insult to the great state of North Dakota.
Sorry if the facts I stated about the origin of the state flag conflict with what you claimed, and your agenda. I will try to be more sensitive to your needs in the future.
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The state flag of North Dakota was chosen to honor the 1st North Dakota Infantry. They were a regiment of volunteers from and organized in North Dakota, so it made sense to honor them.
The Roughriders and many other cavalry units in the country carried the same flag; it was quite popular as it is an important symbol of the U.S.A.
There are enough misconceptions out there about the Roughriders and their mythic link to North Dakota; let's not insult the memory of the 1st North Dakota Infantry by claiming the state flag was chosen to honor the Roughriders.
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Think out of the box artistically for the Logo
At first I liked Rough Riders. Now I hate it. How would the Logo look? Maybe a Teddy Bear or Green and Black with a green shirted cowboy on a black horse? Or a cavalry officer in those colors. No no no. Been thinking of Fighting Hawks more and more. A black hawk's head with green eyes beautifully captured by a good artist. Maybe even a green beak. A thatch of white feathers? I dunno but the design is endless. Look at the Jacksonville Jags, colors gold and teal with the jaguars head gold and the tongue and eyes teal. Very sharp!
Even he hockey team would love hearing "Go Hawks, go hawks."
Nice post.
When there are people thinking the Great Seal of the United States of America on a flag is somehow uniquely Roughriders and uniquely North Dakota and makes a nice logo, God help us.
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In regard to official- I'm haying. Look it up for yourselves.
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I like it!Here is the new logo design:
naw....
Go Ridas!
Roll Gardners!
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So do you suggest that UND become the Peace Gardeners then?!!
Well....no..... Not every state has several official/unofficial nicknames that would work well as a university nickname. We've already used two. Since all the choices left are rather weak, of those 7 North Dakota or nodaks are my preferred choices.
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They've struck down efforts to put it on our license plates. By your definition (that the nickname be enshrined in century code in order to be official), North Dakota does not have an official nickname.
In 1957, the legislature formally adopted Peace Garden State as the official nickname. (North Dakota Century Code, Section 39-04-12.)
I'm not sure how much more official you can get.
It seems every time I state a fact on here about the Roughriders myth, I get accused of being wrong, only to later prove i'm right. I guess that's how fairy tale legends of Roughriders being from North Dakota get spread. Bully!
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Good luch in your endeavors. Might be easier to convince the NCAA to let UND use the Fighting Sioux name again!!
Lol how true!
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Write the legislators to have them have it removed from The states nicknames website would be a good first step for you.
Sorry- I guess i should have explained I was being facetious.
The legislature has twice struck down efforts to make Roughriders the official state nickname- that's good enough for me.
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When you start a serious campaign to rid ND of the Rough Rider nickname, you and your ilk will be much more believable.
North Dakota's official nickname is the Peace Garden State. I'm not sure how our "ilk" would go about officially ridding North Dakota of an unofficial, historically inaccurate nickname drummed up by the ND Dept. Of Tourism.
But we're open to suggestions.
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There are 7 names left. (6 technically). Please tell me a better name form the reaming list that you think UND should adopt as their new nickname? We all get it. This process has been a s#%t show. You are not alone in your thinking. But face reality. UND's new nickname is one of those final 7. It's true, a lot of good names are not one of the remaining names. That sucks. This is what we are stuck with. For better or worse. Again, tell me a better name from the 7?
I like the other 6 better.
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Yeah, it's TR's fault that he was born into wealth.
What matters is what he did with his life, which is way more than most people (including myself) ever do with their short time on this planet. But go right on blaming him for things he had no control over if it helps promote your case.
Lol. If that is what you took away from reading my post, there is no other appropriate response other than to just laugh.
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if michigan was looking to adopt a new nickname in 2015 they would hire a certain consulting group and i'm pretty sure their new nickname would be.....Maize Hawks!
100k please.
Can't argue with that!
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Does anyone know what the committee's next paring down method will be? How will they arrive at the "short list" of final ballot choices?
All 7 names will be written on a piece of tape, stuck on to a straw. All 7 straws will be carefully, shallowly inserted into the butt of a committee member of Karl Goehring's choosing. This committee member will then pull out 3 straws. These will represent the final 3.
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Actually, I think TR built himself up using a gym his dad built.
I think it was all those luxury cruises his family took him on to Europe and Egypt when he was a child in the 1870's that toughened him up.
While our ancestors were trudging across Wisconsin and Minnesota walking behind an ox and cart with nothing to their names but the clothes on their back, hoping to find a piece of ground and stake their claim, and hoping to survive their first winter in sod-based dugouts built into the riverbanks, Teddy was off cruising to Europe and Egypt on the carnival cruiselines of the 1870s.... But yep, let's name UND after him instead! SMH
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Some don't like "Roughriders" because Teddy wasn't native to North Dakota; he was adopted.
Well, were there wolverines in Michigan when U of Michigan took that name, based on a state nickname? The answer is somewhere between "nope" and maybe a few that went extinct 200 years ago.
http://geo.msu.edu/extra/geogmich/wolves.html
We know at least two Roughriders lived in North Dakota, including the most famous.
Are we that hard up we have to adopt someone, and the cavalry he led from a different part of the United States, to base our nickname on?
If U of Michigan had to do it all over again, would they choose Wolverines in the year 2015? We have the advantage of being able to look back at our history, and base our choice on how our state has developed, how its history has played out.
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I am likely wrong but I don't think Teddy Roosevelt not being native to ND is the issue. First I think Roughriders is the best option left but I am extremely frustrated that IMO after the process we are essentially left with all poor options. When we have this huge list with certain criteria and it appears several of these main criteria were not considered or met by some of the remaining options I feel let down. I actually don't personally feel the name needs to directly relate to ND but it was part of the criteria. It was also supposed to be original which it isn't so that criteria was not required either. If people like the idea of a name associated to TR why not have something like Ranchers because that is what he did while in ND? Sure I don't really care for Roughriders but I am more irritated that it has made it through the process considering the stated criteria.
I was likely being idealistic but I really thought looking at the original list we would have had 3 good options to vote on and would be happy with it. Wow, was I wrong but I did see the red flags as soon as they cut the list down the first time.
Good post. I disagree with Roughriders being the best option left, but otherwise I feel the same way about the criteria, process, and results.
What you mentioned about a name like Ranchers has been part of my beef all along. If we're in love with Teddy Roosevelt, pick a nickname related to something that he did while he was in ND.
Before the last committee/rube gathering where they cut the list down to 7, there were 3 "people-based" names left that at least attempted to recognize something North Dakota-related. In their infinite wisdom, the other two were eliminated, leaving Roughriders as the only option for people wanting to vote for a person-based nickname sort of remotely related to the state. And thus, the reason (I think) a lot of people are leaning towards it because all other options for a ND-based nickname have been eliminated.
It's just too bad all the committee members failed North Dakota History class and have no clue about who the ND settlers were or what they did.
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They've arrested Ashley Hunter and charged him with 2 counts of murder. Some may recognize the name from when he made national headlines for stabbing another guy for refusing to change positions during a 3-some a couple years ago.
Did they even bother to ask the third guy if he wanted to change positions?
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Go Ridas!
Brought to you by Lee Riders Mom Jeans. For when looking your best, isn't important.
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And I didnt attend the University of Robert Otis Kelley. I'd take Teddy Roosevelt well before most figures because he was forward thinking progressive, but still conservative and a conservationist before his time. A Bull Moose.
Where were you when the nickname was under attack? I sent out freedom of information requests to all the Slummit and Big Sky Presidents. There was no email discussion of the nickname at all, except by a few concerned fans. The whole Sioux nickname situation was rigged from top, beginning with Dalrymple and Stenehjam and carried out nefariously by Kelley. Kelley did not once implore the NCAA to change their stance and was effectively a double agent, while people assumed he would back the majority. The SBOHE was either total doofuses or were in on the ploy. Slummit League Commissioner Douple admitted that UND and ND wanted the name to go away, but he was slammed by the Herald, Forum, and Kelley for stating the truth. Bresciani attempted to get revenge on behalf of the SBoHE on him in retaliation. Bresciani had emails on the situations, but deleted them as the whole situation would cause the whole SBoHE and Stenehjem and Dalrymple to come crashing down as a blatant ruse with disregard for honesty. The state will have no part in retrieving those emails, and fired the women attorney who attempted to do so. But where were you when I stated these as issues? Mostly just got attacked here.
Kelley et al will eventually pay for their deceptions. So will Standing Rocks past leadership. Lord knows the people of Standing Rock have suffered enough. But in the meantime, UND is in a crisis and needs a new name and new leadership.
Nice post.
Where was I? I didn't post here then. Thanks for your efforts.
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True. Although i'd argue Oregon State's Beavers were actually from Oregon. (they weren't beavers that a New York politician recruited from the states of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma.)