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"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't -- you're probably right." --Henry Ford Having positive expectations goes a long way towards producing and winning football games. This was a major issue with Mussman; he never exuded a trace of confidence.

I'm sorry, but scr*w that conservative expectation bullsh*t. I understand this season is about rebuilding and implementing a new culture, but time and time again college football programs rise up from the ashes and perform well after one season. So you're telling me, not even 2 games into 2014, that UND football will be irrelevant in 2015 and possibly 2016 too? That's absolute bullsh*t. I expect consistent improvement because any other DI institution looking for championships would expect the same thing. I believe this season will constitute a losing record (4 to 5 wins), but why not improve a to 6-5 or 7-4 in 2015?? This lackadaisical approach that some "supporters" have is bullsh*t. You may call it "realistic" but I call it d*mn lazy! At the rate some have in mind, Mussman would be still be HC, NDSU would continue winning EVERY worthy recruiting battle, and the Alerus would be decreasing in attendance weekly. It's time for UND to become a top FCS football program. This season it won't happen, but with plausible improvement each season, this team could be having a winning season by next season. And even if they don't, why are you throwing out whole seasons just assuming they're already "lost" seasons? That's ridiculous. End of rant. Happy Potato Bowl Week and Go UND!

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Harry-Momoh-143291;_ylt=A0LEVine1wdU1QUAxK0PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBya3R2ZmV1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw-- 3 star Rivals recruit...hope everything works out because it appears that he would be a great addition to the 2015 recruiting class... Oh, and I have to say (again) that Bubba's first full season recruiting class is shaping up wonderfully! Have to give his staff credit too!

Well...

You may want to believe that, but that doesn't mean its true. Recruits have had nothing but great things to say about Bubba and his staff; in fact, UND having 7 recruits already verballed indicates the new football staff is probably UND's greatest strength.

Perhaps I should specify; as a whole, the University of North Dakota is considered more influential and capable than NDSU by many, including UND alumni and http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/content/magazine-und-outranks-ndsu-famous-alumni-department-0 to name a couple. NDSU is quite worthy of praise when it comes to football, but universities are not centered entirely on athletics, so UND faithful will not be deterred simply because NDSU has an "almighty, scary football club".

Not going to argue this, because UND has yet to show they are capable of beating top FCS team, nevertheless FBS teams. With that said, San Jose State and Iowa State are similar teams, IMO. I think San Jose State may be capable of defeating Iowa State by a couple scores.

Apparently comprehending extensive reading is something you do not excel at; let me produce a summary for you so that you can understand. You said Michigan State could not beat NDSU by 35; that's highly questionable. Bottom line, NDSU would lose. You said San Jose State wouldn't be able to keep a game against Iowa State within 35; that's just plain incorrect - SJSU would likely defeat Iowa State. You said NDSU could put 100 on UND if they wanted to; NDSU hasn't scored 100 points on anyone during any of their previous 3 FCS NC seasons, so again, not going to happen. As for what I said, Michigan State is a better team than any team NDSU has ever defeated. Also, NDSU has never defeated a top 25 FBS team. Finally, NDSU is not invincible, although your delusional fan base believes they can beat Alabama among other SEC powerhouse programs. All in all, what I said was factual or at least worth debating whereas your comments were definitely emotionally-charged and unrealistic. It is unfortunate that you cannot realize this.

UND being too arrogant? UND is the one that said okay to two games in Fargo; that is anything but arrogant. NDSU and Gene Taylor were the ones who continually changed contract terms and ultimately insisted on two consecutive games in Fargo. If you're gonna contest a point, please at least have your facts straight.

Bobby Morris, huh? Nice nickname, Cassy. And yes, UND will show improvement from week 1 to week 2 - most teams do. Lastly, UND is better than Weber State and Incarnate Word; it's unfortunate your biases have caused you to lose all realistic judgmental ability.

You perfectly epitomize the arrogance associated with NDSU's fan base. I would love to appreciate NDSU's accomplishments more than I already do, but comments such as yours are all too common, and that's appalling. Let's assess what you said and what I said, and then we can realize how foolish and idiotic everything you said was. First, I am not suffering from dysphagia, but thank you for your concern. I appreciate what NDSU has produced in the past few seasons - it is impressive as an FCS program. With that said, I am still ultimately focused on what THE University of North Dakota does moving forward. Do I ignore everything NDSU does as a program? No, I do not, and I think any UND supporter who says otherwise is overly naive. NDSU is in the same state and classification as UND, so of course they affect UND athletics, both directly and indirectly. Next, I could care less if Michigan State beat NDSU by 35, 50, or 21. The point is, Michigan State, along with many other FBS programs, are more than capable of beating down NDSU. To think that NDSU is untouchable by all FBS programs is just silly, and quite frankly, its where I lose respect for NDSU supporters who adore demonstrating their lackluster education. So, because UND has not defeated an FBS team, I am not allowed to comment on NDSU's capabilities? That is ridiculous. NDSU is an exceptional FCS football team, but that does not make NDSU an exceptional FBS football team; simple as that. I hope you're capable of understanding that. And, for the sake of debate, I'm quite certain San Jose State is every bit as good as Iowa State is. With that said, Iowa State is quite possibly among the bottom 20 teams in the FBS, so no use pumping your chest too much. At the same time, San Jose State is not a FBS powerhouse by any means, but they aren't any worse than Iowa State. Lastly, NDSU could not "hang" 100 on UND and they will not "hang" 100 on UND next season. Good luck with your illogical fallacies moving forward. Don't be upset at UND's fan base because we are passionate about North Dakota's flagship university and we understand UND is more influential and capable than NDSU. Despite NDSU's petty propaganda tactics, UND's fan base will not be disrupted; UND alumni know all too well that NDSU is not near as special as NDSU faithful are brainwashed into thinking. As for what I said and what you commented on, I simply agreed that NDSU would lose to Michigan State by a double-digit margin, perhaps even 35. Michigan State is a top FBS team; NDSU has never defeated a top 25 FBS team. Iowa State, even 2013 Kansas State, was not a top 25 FBS team, so get over it. Thinking NDSU is invincible is absolutely incompetent. Furthermore, thinking UND is demonstrating an inferiority complex by commenting on the team 70 miles to the south is even more idiotic. It's simply FCS football discussion, as the thread title suggests.

Michigan State is a top FBS team; NDSU has had success versus FBS teams, but there's no question their consecutive FBS wins have all come against subpar FBS teams. Kansas State was a good win, but even that team was no where near top notch, especially at the beginning of the season with a new starting QB. With that said, it's definitely difficult for FCS teams to beat top 10 FBS teams.

The black jerseys will come out once a year, maybe twice. This year we'll see the black jerseys vs either Montana or Northern Arizona for Homecoming. As for this Saturday, can almost guarantee green jerseys. UND deserves to be seen in green jerseys, it's just that they should have new ones; likely next season.

Highlights of Eastern Kentucky vs. Robert Morris Eastern Kentucky won, 29-10. UND should definitely be able to show improvement versus RMU, if progress is coming along as expected.

No, transferring up or within the same level requires forfeiture of a year of eligibility. To conserve all years of remaining eligibility, one must transfer down.

I'm just looking forward...I'm hoping for a 5-7 or 6-6 2014 record meaning a high likelihood of success in 2015.

Idaho was never real impressive at the FCS level, so no precedent there. Plus MVFC presently includes teams from Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio. If the MWC or Big 12 called, I'm sure NDSU would look into it also, but there may be logistical issues there in that situation.

And how much time will that be? I understand patience, but let's not beat a dead horse here. Although patience is required given UND's situation, UND supporters need to perhaps raise their expectations a bit. I still expect UND to go 5-7 or 6-6 this year and end up additionally improved in 2015 with a winning year. Are those unrealistic? Absolutely not, IMO. If UND is a flagship university, then they should not need 5 years to finally have a winning record in the Big Sky Conference.

After a sour Thursday, that's a nice positive. Looking forward to tailgating and our first win of the season on Saturday!

If NDSU were in the MAC, they'd probably run the table and play in a BCS bowl this season. Point is, they appear capable, at least presently. If they end the season with another NC, I think it's a no brainer NDSU's administration should look into move-up opportunities.

It has been reality thus far in the DI era. I do believe it is possible for UND to have both successful hockey and football programs, but UND's administration has yet to find a way to make that work. Increased funding is one way out, and there's no arguing the financial support that goes to UND men's and women's hockey consumes a considerable amount of those finances. For example, UND football couldn't even afford to purchase a single set of home football jerseys for this season. The budget did improve from last year to this year, but that needs to be a continuing trend and not an anomaly.

Ha yep, fixed it! Guess that UND-NDSU thing was appropriate for this thread, just not for my particular thought.…

… Faison wanting UND football to succeed. Drop some other useless athletic teams and relocate the appropriate funding to football, if that's what it takes. The UND faithful deserves and wants to see a winning football team, because that's what UND is capable of if the administration puts their mind to it.

After watching yesterday's ISU-NDSU game, there is no question NDSU should again be the favorite to win the FCS National Championship. Their administration does what it takes, but ultimately they've just kept on recruiting the right players and developing them. Of course, they again have a large senior class that would be considered one of Bohl's classes. Be interesting to see what Klieman actually comes up with in a few years. In terms of UND, they just need to improve each and every game. There's no reason UND shouldn't be a top FCS school, other than the administration being obsessed with hockey and not wanting to better emphasize football. If UND is on track, which I'd like to think they are, then Bubba should have them a winning season within a couple years (2015 or 2016). Otherwise, UND's program is officially garbage under the Faison administration. I'm sorry, but under Faison and the DI era, I think every UND football supporter has has their patience yanked at in some way, shape, or form.

Saturday's Big Sky scores (NO FBS WINS) ______________________________________ Nevada 28 - Southern Utah 19 Wyoming 17 - Montana 12 Oregon State 29 - Portland State 14 Stanford 45 - UC Davis 0 Arkansas State 37 - Montana State 10 San Diego State 38 - Northern Arizona 7 Sacramento State 49 - Incarnate Word 13 ---------> FWIW, NDSU will end up crushing Incarnate Word Eastern Washington 41 - Montana Western 9