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Faison needs to step down, Kelley needs to revisit his focus on collegiate athletics and the tradition of excellence UND athletics is supposed to possess, and then a new, energetic AD needs to be hired.
Just thinking aloud my Christmas wish list...
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I won't come out and say Brian jones should be fired. But if his employment isn't being critically evaluated this season, faison should be shown the door.
This is all correct.
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UND offers academic opportunities that NDSU can't always match: aviation, business, medical, law, and petroleum engineering, just to name a few. Also, NDSU's practice bubble is a joke compared to UND's $20 million HPC. Not every prospect just jumps at the winningest FCS program of the pasts few seasons, especially when most DIPlaying time definitely. Academics are a wash. Where are the facilities superior to NDSU's. NDSU has 3 perfectly good outdoor practice fields, one with the same field turf as in the dome, they put a bubble over Dacotah Field for the month or two that it is uncomfortable to practice outside. They are putting a state of the art weight and training facility in the SHAK. The football offices, team meeting rooms and film rooms are as good as there are in FCS. The stadium and game day atmosphere are second to none in the FCS. Exactly where is the advantage for UND?
prospects do not want to attend FCS schools but rather have their sights on FBS.
UND has the ability to offer playing time, specific academic
majors, a great practice/training facility, and most importantly, a good family coaching atmosphere.
All of these things don't create an advantage for UND over NDSU, but they do allow UND to recruit many of the same athletes that NDSU recruits.
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As much as you may hate reality because you think NDSU is a football program everyone knows about, the bottom line is both NDSU and UND are FCS schools. Most DI athletes don't dream about going to either NDSU or UND, so when FBS offers don't work out, they then fall back to the realization they have to go FCS and often times UND and NDSU fall on the same level to them. It's then about the recruiting relationships they make. Of course, for NDSU they can offer recent success and national exposure, but it's still only relative because NDSU has no exposure compared to Big Ten and Big 12 FBS schools. UND can now counter will academics, playing time, and facilities in the indoor practice facility. What I'm saying is that delusional fans like you don't truly understand the gap between the programs; it isn't as big as you think.That may work for UND coaches when it's the kids only offer, but if they give a kid with multiple offers a deadline, my guess is the recruit tells them thanks but no thanks. I don't think UND has that kind of leverage at this point on the recruiting trail.
With competent coaching and recruiting, which UND now has, UND football will be back to a winning level very soon. As for Faison's commitment to football, that still needs work. NDSU's athletic department deserves as much credit as anything for their recent success; they have bought in and influenced generous support from alumni and fans.
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Omaha did it. It's not impossible.
UND men's bball is really bad this season. That makes NDSU just bad, maybe average.
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Your squad may have that many transfers next year between FBS and JUCO's the way Bubba's recruiting season is going.
Yeah, well if Bubba pulls off a Sam Houston State and UND makes it to the FCS semi-finals in his second season with all those transfers, you won't hear many complaints.
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UND gets a crack at my boy Wojo and company. Marquette has been playing better as of late, especially with their 7 foot addition.
Be a nice win if we can get it.
Win at Marquette?
Oh goodness....
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Oh my. I'll just put this here I guess:
Textbook bandwagon fans. A couple years of NDSU losing and the FargoDome will have half as many people attending games.
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At this point, I would say Illinois State is the best looking team thus far. NDSU slipped by Coastal at home whereas Illinois State went on the road and beat EWU. I'd take ISU over NDSU in Frisco, but I reserve the right to change my opinion after viewing the semi-final games. And, of course, Frisco is basically a home game for NDSU so there's always that too...
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one of the UAB safeties that was planning on visiting UND committed to Montana. Believe we still have an offer out to/interest in Bobby Baker as well.
Would be tremendous to have Baker play for UND, but it doesn't look like there's much of a chance....
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/12/long_list_of_suitors_after_uab.html
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Hearing Ja' Won Arrington, RB from UAB will be here this weekend with fellow former teammate Chris Rabb, a DL.
Get these two on board
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They like the idea of playing touch football, aka Big Sky football. Hardly any tackling goes on in the Big Sky and most players are done with football come Thanksgiving.
Because of that, UND will be winning that conference within a few years. I see UND having a winning conference record as soon as next year. IMO, given the resources and facilities, the only schools UND should have to really compete with in the BSC are the Montana's and EWU.
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Either you quoted the wrong poster or your sarcasm meter is broken.
I'm glad you were able to successfully police me.
Good work.
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This winter, heck with Arizona or Florida; I'm going to stay down in Fargo and watch NDSU basketball, because the climate is so much better than Grand Forks and so is the basketball recruiting. I mean, at least according to your insane self it is.Nobody can win at UND. NOBODY. Get it through your head already!!! We are lucky to even have him stay as long as he has. I am sure he has had many other offers to move on.
It is too damn COLD. 17-17 is the best that any coach could do at UND and we should all accept that fact.
Bottom line, NDSU/Fargo gets pretty cold too.
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I think his point is that the Fargo metro is 3 times the size of GF. It is growing probably 5 times faster than GF. That results in significantly higher sources to draw corporate dollars from, and NDSU is doing a good job of getting those corporate dollars. They have better attendance at alot of their sporting events, not only because they've been successful in recent years, but also because they have a much larger population base to draw fans from nearby. They get 10,000 more people to football games than does UND. That equates roughly $900,000 more in revenue over a six game season. The last few seasons they've gotten about 1,300 mor per game for basketball. That's another $200,000 a year in revenue over what we get. Again, they have been very good the last few years so that is a big part, but so is their location.
You do realize that many of NDSU's donors do not live in Fargo, right? It's all about reaching out and having a plan, which is something UND's athletic department is lacking in comparison to NDSU.
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Fire Jones for not finishing in top 4 this season is like someone saying Duke should fire Coach K if Duke fails to reach the final 4 Every year. Guess what folks UND is a mens hockey school that it everything else is an after thought. UND has no money for a great HC they have very little in state talent. They have no video board. It is damn cold place to be . And recruits love 20 below weather and playing for a school where hockey is the king sport and basketball is just another pawn sport.
First off, Coach K doesn't lose every road OOC game. If he did, he would be canned. Secondly, everyone is saying that there needs to be more of an investment in basketball, thus greater coaching salary and improvements to the BESC. Faison and the athletic department are an issue because there certainly are alumni for both football and basketball out there that could contribute big time, but the AD is too busy focusing on hockey to consider such a venture. New leadership and new direction is needed for UND at the top.
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You want to stop acting stupid and actually have an intelligent conversation regarding this? NDSU has done far better than UND in men's basketball despite dealing with similar assets. The key issue is the lack of commitment by the athletic department: Jones is only paid 100K for a reason. UND needs higher demand coaches (increase salary) and more up-to-date improvements (video boards, higher bleachers) to the BESC.Fire Jones crowd must be high cause it ain't gonna happen! Thank goodness these jokers do not have any authority or college coaches would be getting fired every day of the season all over the USA. Jones however will not get an extension unless he gets top 6 in Big Sky. 90% of the time when a team loses 5 of top 6 scores they take a nose dive .... and UND AD is sane enough to know that. Nuts to think UND losing 5 of top 6 and predicted to finish 9th by every Objective preseason mag should finish top 4. Fact is UND has lost one game that Vegas (where money talks )had them favored . The also have one upset vs the money winning at Drake. Facts!
Simply stating that this team lost a bunch of contributors is a moot point used to fool the casual fans. Anyone with awareness of collegiate basketball in the Dakotas knows UND basketball has very little support compared to NDSU, SDSU, and USD. Also, the on the court record has been poor the past few seasons under Jones when you look at OOC games, particularly on the road.
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Football is on the rise, but as you stated, that's because Faison open up the pocket book and paid more for Bubba and his assistants (not entirely the AD, also alumni). UND football now certainly has a DI coaching staff capable of making the post season with better talent. Playoffs for UND football will be a reality in a year or two.I was more on the Fire Jones wagon a couple years ago then I am now. With what we pay, we won't get anyone any better, and firing him just disrupts the team. How many years does he have left on his contract? It's sad to see how far we've come since the Dave Gunther days, but let's face it, the money isn't there. It really isn't there for football either like is should be, and basketball is a lot lower on the pecking order.
I'll be the first to admit, outside of hockey, we basically suck at everything. I watched the NDSU CC game on ESPN and wished we were at that level, then I saw the broadcast of the BB game against a mediocre NDSU team and was sick. It all comes down to massive amounts of money, and until we commit a whole lot more, nothing will change. Basketball team will be an embarrassment and the football team will miss the playoffs again next year. That's just the way it is. Yuck.
As for basketball, the increase in investment needs to happen. UND and Faison NEED to part ways with Jones and pay more for a better coach AND assistants. Also, facility improvements - namely a video board - need to occur. The athletic department is so incompetent at UND right now it's not even funny; NDSU blows UND out of the water when it comes to influencing alumni into financial support.
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Faison is probably gigglying reading this board at the Great Wall biffet.
Seems like everytime I'm there he's there
If he'd actually acknowledge what some posters say perhaps positive things would happen for the basketball team. Trust me, I'm not saying most things on this board are logical and/or rational, but some posters bring innovational ideas to the table that SHOULD be thought up in the AD office daily. UND deserves to have a winning football and basketball program - if that does not happen with the current leadership, new leadership should be found; that simple. I will say nothing will happen until after next season in terms of Jones, and rightfully so. If this season and next season are losing ones, Faison better make the move.
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Tweet from Coach Maurice:
If you build it they will come! Green and White sighting in Council Bluffs,Iowa. Welcome to the family. #Hands #Tuff #ShoelessJoeJax
Perhaps referencing the High Performance Center (indoor practice facility) that is definitely taking shape and will be ready for the 2015 season!
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Within a year or two, a change will be made and Jones will be gone. Unfortunately, due to the "knucklehead" mindset of Faison and other apologists such as those on this board, UND will likely go through a couple disaster, program set-back type seasons first.This thead is basically the same thread and content that happened when most fans got sick of seeing what had become of the FB program under Muss with those posters who supported and apologized for Muss to the end now supporting Jones amid the disaster that is becoming the UND MBB program. UND is a D1 university in all sports and 2 of the big 3, FB and MBB, are no where near what they should be at this point in their D1 existence IMO. Changes were made in FB and I believe that program will be eventually head in the right direction. MBB at some point will need to follow suit.
Look at all the games played to date by UND's FB and MBB teams since turning D1 and tell me where one big time signature win is in either sport...........................
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I know people on this site like to pump up Bubba's recruiting, but most if not all of the Minnesota commitments he has gotten so far he either beat out D2's for the kid or UND was his only offer. Not saying they won't be good players, but they weren't heavily recruited.
UND's not in a position to recruit highly touted players. Every year hundreds of players slip through recruiting cracks in DI football. Bubba's focus is on development right now. With wins, UND will start to battle for highly touted recruits more often. Bubba has more committed recruits now (17) than Mussman ever had at this point in the year.
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This thread is the cyber version of the knuckleheads in the barbershop in Hoosiers. So out of bounds. Low class crap full of faceless self -aggrandizing jackasses. Recruits, committed recruits, and parents of recruits, etc unfortunately read this. If you truly cared about the program you would take this off of here and move it back into the barbershop. Awful.
Perhaps the recruits should know the truth; in fact, maybe Faison and the "true" UND supporters should acknowledge the truth every once and awhile.
Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting difficult results is insanity, right Mr. Einstein?
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Absolutely 100% correct.^^^ this^^^
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How good a recruiter is Jones when his recruits refuse to follow his coaching? Mussman v1.2 anyone?
But it needs to start at the top. UND has a PC agenda pushing President and an ineffective AD. Say what you want about Bresciani and Taylor, they have/had a much deeper commitment to the success of the Bison getting into the nation spotlight. FCS Championships, March Madness appearances and even ESPN Game Day, games on ESPN's main network, Fox Sports 1 have put Fargo University into the spotlight more than UND's consecutive Frozen Four appearances (even if they had won one). Change needs to start at the top.
Ignoring what NDSU athletics has accomplished as a whole is downright foolish and ignorant. NDSU works with the same fundamental assets as UND (climate, location, budget, etc.) and yet they have a much higher standard than UND athletics. This is entirely attributable to the athletic department and leadership at UND. It's a shame to admit but Gene Taylor did a much better job at creating competitive clubs at NDSU than Brian Faison has ever even hinted at. Its all about influencing contributable donations from well-to-do alumni and than using that to create DI tier programs in both facilities and staff. Right now, Faison is not getting the job done. NDSU has gained so much financial support in the last 10 years it's not even funny. Football coach with over 200K salary and a basketball coach with a 150K salary; now compare that to UND and it's a joke.
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Aviation and petroleum engineering, two programs you intentionally avoided, are common among athletes and they are not offered at NDSU. Also, UND's business program possesses far greater networking than NDSU's program via alumni base and simply online education opportunities. I'm not one to pursue the argument that one school is straightforwardly better than the other, but I will say that UND offers many programs that NDSU does not offer. To say NDSU has an advantage with their agriculture program is ridiculous; it may help to a degree, but how many of NDSU's all-conference players over the past few seasons have been pursuing an education in agriculture? Very few...
NDSU's 2014 first team all-conference players and their academic major:
FB Andrew Bonnet - finance
OT Joe Haeg - civil engineering
OL Jesse Hinz - criminal justice & Spanish
DE Kyle Emanuel - construction management
S Christian Dudzik - sports management & philosophy
S Colten Heagle - marketing
P Ben LeCompte - sports management
As you can see, not a single first team all-conference player is directly majoring in agriculture. I apologize for actually doing the research and shutting down your insane assumption.