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Offensive line needs depth desperately. Losing that California JUCO kid does hurt some.
With Anderson, Meehan, Stockwell, and Francis, I think the starting oline this season is mostly set; however, key depth is needed and Boas should be replaced as a stater if any half-way decent recruit is picked up.
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UND football and Bubba are sure accumulating some good talent and constructing a heck of a 2015 class.
Of course, it all needs to hold up and work it's way out on the field, but judging by what Bubba and his staff were able to do with last year's less than adequate talent/depth, I think the development of these players will go good.
Good things ahead for UND football!
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Who cares about wins, as long as the games are fun to watch.........
Good lord.
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Very disappointing home stand. Still don't know what to make of Jones. Doubt we can afford anything any better.
Wrong. So very wrong. Many deserving DII coaches out there waiting for their shot at coaching DI. Plus there's no reason UND and Mr. Faison can't spend a little more; too much invested in dead programs like women's hockey and baseball.
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Very nice weather today for recruits and their visit. Hope it all clicks and Bubba gains some commitments this weekend!
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New offer:
S Christian Angulo, 6'2", 180, Gibsonton (East Bay), FL Has offers from E KY and Toledo (visiting Toledo this weekend)
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2043988/chris-angulo
Looks like a CB prospect to me, which would be great! Add both Angulo and Tyus Carter to the CB group of this class and that would be great for the CB position group as a whole moving forward!
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Here's to a sweep...
Go Sioux!
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That is true. Also, how did UND lose by 30 to that garbage he is trotting out there this year. That loss looks worse every day.
Well, UND basketball and Mr. Brian Jones aren't too hot themselves...
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Maybe we're looking at different videos but I think the kid has potential.I like his size but his first step and first 5 yards are a little slow. Not the type of twitch id like in our defensive players. Maybe he's a TE.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1561078/keith-key
Good bloodlines, both in talent and in resources. Like his size too; good to have some strong side size rather than always recruiting 5'10 190 lbs OLBs.
Hope it works out for him and UND football!
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This thread is what it is and isn't going to cause any sort of catastrophe. If you don't like it, don't read it.Mod's this topic has run its course and has been off topic for awhile now. Time to lock it.
As for NDSU, give them their credit. They have built a powerful brand in FCS football and Summit basketball.
As for UND, there's no reason success can't come in those aforementioned sports. However, whether the hockey diehards like it or not, more emphasis needs to be put on football and basketball. That means less on hockey; just the way the law of distribution works. Need increased budget for better salary for a different MBB coach and better marketing/gameday experience for football. Also need HPC phase II to get completed. With that and hard work, UND football and MBB will eventually see success ALONG WITH hockey.
Oh, and also need an AD who can see this vision and aspire to make it a reality...
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Surprised there ar that many in the nfl from fcs. But we are still talking 43% ncaa d1 hockey to 21% fcs football. I don't really care. The only reason I even brought this up is because we have und fans here belittling the hockey program.
Belittling the hockey program? The hockey program is great but the emphasis placed on it by the UND athletic department creates challenges in terms of funding football and basketball. To believe that is not the case is downright ignorant. Can UND football succeed as a DI program? Absolutely, but the UND athletic department needs to change their current direction.
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v Yes, and FCS/Div 1-AA football is a non-event to the average college football rube nation-wide. And that's not to belittle NDSU's 4 straight lower tier title wins, it's just a fact. So, same-same I guess.
FCS football gets a lot more national coverage than college hockey, though. How many FCS games on ESPN? Now how many college hockey games? How about sports shows? FCS football shows up on those highlights, especially if they upset a FBS squad, a lot more than college hockey. That fact remains, whether you like it or not, that hockey is extremely unpopular in America when looking at things relatively.
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Here's what's really needed at the Alerus.
High caliber football players.
We filled the Alerus when we had them and we will again when we get them.
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Yes, but a little commitment from the people producing and hosting gameday would be nice. This is nothing novel; just some effort is needed.
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I was aware of a few of those points, but a few surprised me. All in all, it just comes back to UND's athletic department needing new leadership and direction. I agree that hockey does not need to be torn down completely, but football and basketball need to be better emphasized...like a lot. Also, your points about women's hockey are very logical; you would have persuaded me to cancel that program if I wasn't already in possession of that stance.Hockey is much more than a psychological hindrance. There are multiple times over the past decade where the success of the other sports was compromised in order to further the hockey programs interests. Here is just a short list off the top of my head of both big and small items over the last decade.
1. Shortly after the Ralph's construction, Ralph throws a temper tantrum after finding out that the state of the art weight facility in REA was used for a football workout. Ralph pisses and moans and UND football never again sets foot in the REA weight room. UND football continues to work out in a facility at Memorial Stadium that is sub-par in comparison to every other regional program and will continue to do so until Phase 2 of the the new IPT is completed.
2. UND turns over all marketing for the entire athletic department to REA which leads to a questionable allocation of advertising dollars such as a full scale ad campaign for the world junior's tournament in 2004 being rolled out a few weeks before UND football begins the FB season in a year where UND Football is coming off a trip to the Division II National Football Championship. Advertising for UND football and the other sports can best be described as below average to non-existent ever since REA assumed control.
3. In order to finance scholarships and shore up losses incurred by the start-up of women's hockey, Buning cut the recruiting and travel budgets for men's and women's basketball and football. This was when football and WBB were still financially viable and supporting their own costs. We cut funding for a successful program that was only a few years removed from a national football championship to finance women's hockey! Women's hockey was started in the first place because REA was hired to do a study on which sport on campus had the greatest potential for future growth and came back with women's hockey, which should have been met with laughter by Thomas and Kupchella if they would have had even a shred of objectivity.
4. Kupchella sits on his hands for four years following NDSU's decision to move to Division II in part because of the concerns that a move to Division I in every sport would have on the hockey program. Finally caves and agrees to move to Division I after a near mutiny of the football alumni who had watched their contributions continue to be allocated to shore up general fund deficits created by women's hockey and other poor spending decisions made by the REA.
5. When SIU tendered an offer to Dale Lennon (the most successful FB coach in UND history), UND refused to match the terms of the contract because it would have made him the highest paid coach in the school and upset the salary hierarchy as he would have made more than Hakstol. I have no doubt that if Schweigert can engineer a turnaround of the football program and another team within our division comes calling, that Faison and Kelly would make the same decision.
6. When Big Sky affiliation was in jeopardy due to the Sioux nickname controversy and the idiotic workings of the ND legislature, Hakstol goes rogue and comes up out urging hockey fans to contact their representatives to encourage passage of the nickname law. The law passes and negatively impacts every other sport on campus for 18 months until the law is finally repealed. Hakstol, who should have been terminated in my opinion, receives next to nothing in discipline for his actions. Most of the posters on this board to this day will defend his actions to this day even though it nearly derailed UND's entire Division I move.
I'm sure there are many more instances that i"m forgetting or do not know about, but all in all it's decisions like the above that have gotten us to today. I've seen nothing that indicates that the thinking within the athletic department or UND's administration has changed one bit. Until we acknowledge that UND needs to change it's entire thinking in terms of the athletic department, the other sports will continue to struggle to have sustained long-term success.
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This is probably my biggest gripe about the Alerus Center on game days. There is a big sign outside on the Alerus that says "Home of UND football" but you would hardly notice it when walking in the doors!! If the Alerus want to truly be the home of UND football, they need to step it up. UND football is their #1 tenant. Get murals on the walls. Get the more green and white in the concourses. banners hanging on the walls. All these things would enhance the experience and make going to UND football games an event.
Absolutely!
#1 thing Alerus should do before next season! It would be inexpensive and effective. Get it done Alerus! Of course, going back to when the turf design was made, the Alerus doesn't actually care about UND football as much as they pretend to.
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University of New Hampshire is a similar situation where they seem to have success in both, by and large. They are somewhat down in hockey this year but they always seem to be in the hunt in both sports. So it's doable.
University of New Hampshire is a very good model in comparison to UND. UNH had the #1 in the FCS playoffs this season. I would like to think UND could get to that FCS football level in the near future; that is my hope.
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I really can't poke any holes in that article/argument.
If your aren't winning you'd better have some other draw (like a shiny new or upgraded facility).
Proof? What was UND Hockey's record the first year in the new REA? (Hint: < 0.500)
I do wonder why the GF Herald is interested in getting football back on campus. That may not make the Alerus owners (city of GF) happy.
Football being back on campus would be favorable, down the road of course. I think it would get the student body back into football games.
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I don't think it needs to take away from hockey. I think it comes to the attitude of leadership. The ac did a great job of marketing to the public that this was a new era...a step up. And it worked! While we belittled Valpo, their marketing created true believers. Meanwhile Kuppy and RT were downplaying that a move to FCS was even a higher level of ball to start with.
When that's where leadership was coming from it isn't hard to understand the opportunity was squandered.
Agree.
If UND's athletic department doesn't want football and men's basketball to succeed and compete for championships, they won't. It all starts at the top. Faison is so content, and dare I say it, lazy, that the expectations for football and basketball are very convoluted.
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Agree but for some to even suggest that hockey in any way, shape or form is the reason for the lack of success in FB and MBB is ridiculous and flatout ignorant.
Hockey is largely a psychological hindrance, at least for the current athletic department staff. UND should be able to focus on improving football and basketball along with hockey, but it seems most in the UND athletic department are content right now just because hockey is okay and everything else (football and M basketball) is not. Faison and some of his employees (UND SID) are so dead set on hockey that the others suffer; it's a matter of the truth. One can't look at the mediocre nature of UND's football and M basketball track record since moving DI and say otherwise.
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So if you are looking for a comparison here, this st cloud game was like the Iowa State game for the Bison. They estimated that there were 3 thousand Bison fans in Iowa. I have seen 1-2 thousand NDSU fans travel down to SD for games. Of coarse there are going to be large numbers of NDSU fans traveling for a National championship game. I was at the xcel a few years back and the stadium was half UND fans, which for NCAA hockey tourney is tough to do because of how you aquire tickets with priority seating. So you saying hockey is maxed out, is wrong. It is a niche sport and not everyone gets into it, but it is the golden goose for UND and will always be.
Hockey wasn't the "golden goose" at UND just 20 years ago. Perhaps the REA will keep hockey as the top sport form here on out, but it will always keep UND at a DII status in football and basketball moving forward. For St.Cloud and Duluth that doesn't matter because they are DII. For Omaha and Denver it doesn't matter because they don't have football. For Wisconsin and Minnesota it doesn't matter because they have the budget and big time enrollment. UND is in a unique situation, and yes, it's hockey program is maxed out in terms of following. Football and basketball are the big crowd producers; always have been and always will be. UND needs to explore ways to expand those sports.
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Article that hits all the key points:
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Football and men's basketball need to get to relevance, or at least one of the two programs. All successful college DI athletic programs are relevant nationally only when football and/or basketball are successful, not hockey. UND hockey is a great fiscal engine, as mentioned above, and is the recognized focus of the university largely due to tradition and facilities, but football and basketball are much more appropriate when focusing on improving the support and fan following.
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The hockey program doesn't need to be torn down, but rather the athletic department can not become complacent just because the hockey program is covered and structured the way they want it to be. A lot, and I mean a lot, of work needs to be done with football and basketball at UND; UND's athletic department needs to be willing to actually try and put football and basketball at the same level as hockey in order for such a buildup to occur.If hockey wasn't performing and selling 11,000 tickets per home game one would have to question the emphasis on hockey. But it is, and it's the fiscal engine right now.
I think it was Coach Wooden that said, "You can't build something up by tearing something else down."
How about we worry about building up and not 'blaming' other programs inside the house.
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100% correct.I'm sorry but 2,000 fans at a hockey game in St. Cloud isn't impressive at all when compared to 17,000 fans at a football game in Texas. The two sports are incomparable. There are a lot of alumni and, more importantly, prospective students that would have a great deal more interest in watching high quality football or basketball as opposed to high quality hockey. There is a reason the NHL is solidly fourth among the four major sports and realistically more like 5th or 6th in terms of TV ratings and market share behind the PGA and NASCAR. Heck, on most nights in a lot of markets in this country you're more likely to find an MLS or Premier League soccer game on your television as opposed to an NHL game. College hockey doesn't even register. It's a non-event.
This should be the opening lesson of athletic directing 101. UND should try and raise football and basketball to the hockey program's level rather than just simply proclaim themselves as a college hockey university; that's a dead-end street for the ENTIRE athletic program.
Criticism of NDSU (eventually to be locked)
in Football
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http://whotv.com/2015/01/19/north-dakota-state-bison-fans-deserve-to-hear-this-because-they-probably-cant-read/
A little fun poked at NDSU and their "wonderful" fan base...