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And the second post (in that thread from Sept. 2013) was again @jdub27 protecting Mussman and trying to deflect away from conversation about meaningful change … WOW! unreal … you can’t make this stuff up. UND’s athletics culture as a DI program is so mediocre and broken … and apparently has been for a while. Do we want championships or participation awards? I think we may need to consider renaming the champions club to the participation club if we keep Bubba any longer …

Fall ‘21 was a disaster. Should’ve been changes at that time, but really, large-scale changes after ‘17 and ‘18 would’ve been ideal, but instead fired Rudolph and hired Freund, and well, the defense remained mediocre to below average and the rest is history.

The diehards on this site care more and know more about UND football than the actual “leaders” within their paid official positions …

The contract extension was put into place despite communication, from boosters and alumni, of dissatisfaction at the time prior to extension, and this should mean the university bears the responsibility of the buyout costs and/or the transition to a different position. This is a necessary investment to ensure that UND can hire a new coaching staff capable of bringing the program the success and championships it rightfully deserves. Our University community deserves a leader who can maximize the potential of this program and deliver the winning tradition our stakeholders expect and deserve. The time for action is now.

The vitriol that this program has brought onto itself by propagating mediocrity and being resistant to meaningful change is and will be damning and conflicting for some time.

Sure, win, win, win, but realistically we all know Bubba is not capable of winning, so I suspect they will lose at least 1 of the next 2 if not both. It’s laughable that we speak as if the extension was put into place with even the remote concept it was a good idea at the time… because it wasn’t.

It’s complete blasphemy and apathy at this point… but I (always) hope UND wins. The extension to Bubba occurred despite at least a year plus of banter that no more extensions should be given, and yet it happened, and coaches left to lateral positions at conference rivals (NDSU, SDSU). This whole thing has been a disaster in the making for months to years. Very hard to support the current direction, and yes, it comes down to everyone; Bubba, Chaves, and even Armacost.

Even with the nice facilities, the top recruits will choose NDSU, SDSU and perhaps now even USD before UND. Why, because results still matter more than facilities. The intangibles of coaching are not allowing UND to get the most out of their current student-athletes; hence, no playoff wins, minimal road wins, and a complete inability to consistently compete with NDSU and SDSU. With all that said, what you’ve identified is correct. Administration is beyond content with the building progress and fundraising efforts of Bubba Schweigert, the academic success of the football student-athletes, and the local angle. There is absolutely no desire by UND to be the best, and in my opinion, given football is ultimately a results-driven team game of competition, this is a crucial mistake and error.

I’m afraid going to need much more than Prep H … much much more

Well, if the preparation isn’t the right preparation … So many ways to dissect this, but ultimately the results are what they are and they are completely unacceptable.

Who would have thought that football staff management, and, overall, the football program, would be in a similar position (if not actually worse) now compared to 2013? Unbelievable, to a certain degree. No freedom to improve staffing is a horrible position to be in. Worst part was this staff was identified years ago as being incapable, my many, and there was communication to AD prior to extension(s), but yet, here we are. Complete ignorance.

Will two home back-to-back blowout losses to conference rivals South Dakota State and South Dakota in 2024 have the same effect that two home back-to-back blowout losses to conference rivals Montana and Montana State had in 2013??

This is what happens when you unjustifiably extend an incapable coach.

Not a bad concept at all, especially now in the era of NIL and transfer portal. Ultimately, a coach that can install a winning, disciplined culture will be the most successful, as the transfers and younger players still have to fight for what’s best for the team, and strive for championship excellence. In other words, the coach needs to be able to move the players away from individualism. As of now, I have a bad feeling about this situation. I think Chaves sits on this thing (again) and UND continues to be far behind the other Dakota MVFC schools. Hopefully the next couple weeks changes that… I strongly advocate that everyone who is willing to post on this board also sends a respectful message to University of North Dakota leadership (athletic director, president).

750k is nothing if we’re serious about our division 1 football program, and the new facilities would *suggest* we are.

Dosch is a Lennon/Bubba disciple. This defense is what it is with this group; no outside influence and broken. The entire defensive staff needs to be replaced, which technically includes the head coach since it’s his defense. Bottom line is we are at the end of a 25-year run of the Lennon/Bubba 3-4 defense. There were some highlights during the era, especially the early 2000s, but the last several seasons have been rough. All good things eventually must come to an end. Change is inevitable. I’m all for an open search for someone with no ties - UND football is in need of it: change and outside influence, but most importantly a winning culture with accountability, discipline, and expectations of a high standard.

Coaching change should not only be considered, but absolutely executed ASAP, likely at the conclusion of the regular season. Thank you for posting.

I’m okay with Fruechte if he cleans out the entire defensive staff. With that said, preference would be a D2 proven winner (Annese, Hoffner, Olszewski) or former FCS national champion head coach (Baldwin), and I’m not holding my breath with the precedent set by Chaves and Armacost and Bubba’s recently extended contract.

IMO Jake Landry is no different than Freund. Both former UND QBs who snubbed Bubba for a conference rival. Honestly, with how horrible Bubba is at coaching right now, I can’t blame either one of them.

I’ve been on record here and officially via communication with “leaders” for years stating Bubba can’t get it done if we want UND to eventually be a champ like NDSU and SDSU. I think Danny Freund would be a last resort. The options come down to what we pay and who is interested. The new facilities are getting done upon perfect timing to recruit a new staff. Early list: Jake Landry NDSU OC Danny Freund SDSU OC Grant Olson NDSU DC Isaac Fruechte UND OC Beau Baldwin (QB coach Calgary Stampeders; former EWU head coach under Chaves) Tony Annese (HC at D2 Power Ferris State in Michigan) Todd Hoffner (HC Minnesota-Mankato) Jerry Olszewski (HC Augustana)

I love Danny, but I agree, I think UND could do better if they actually held an open process without any politics…

Our coaching staff is horrific.

Well, UND lost to Indiana State so… And Indiana State lost to South Dakota today 49-0… UND plays South Dakota next weekend.

I believe it. Definitely include Andy in all communication with AD. I just don’t believe the AD is accountable. Unfortunately, I won’t believe UND leadership steps up to the plate until they actually do. Apathy and despair has set in, in full effect.

He won’t listen, or at least it will be condescending, in my experience; include Armacost as well in all emails. andrew.armacost@UND.edu