Bison06

That’s a fair criticism, I don’t share your concern, but we understandably come at this topic with different perspectives.

Many have and continue to make that conclusion here. Good on you for being reasonable.

And here I thought I was having a reasonable discussion with adults. Had I know your sole goal was to “get to me” like a petulant child, I would have focused my responses to other more mature posters.

Rumors when a story is ambiguous about the exact details? No problem. Ridiculous logic jumps that infer NDSU hasn’t earned each and every championship by being the best team in the nation by a country mile, I’ll challenge that insane notion every day of the week.

So when did the rest know?

How could you possibly know what they knew and when they knew it? Maybe we know when one of them knew based on previous posts, but when did the rest of them find out?

Maybe, maybe not. In both cases, a reporter is choosing to withhold information they have that the public might be interested in

It’s complete speculation on your part that all of them knew about it. Its not like reporters are taking role call on which players are there and aren’t, there’s a lot of guys on the football team. Maybe only a few noticed he wasn’t there.

I’m not trying to be insulting, but that’s a naive stance to take. Reporters walk this line daily, especially in sports. You’re a reporter that wants to get close to players so they give you good stories so you can do your job well? Good luck if your running articles that the players and coaches are unhappy about. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s business. You think the UND hockey team beat reporter writes articles about every single conversation he hears while on the road and team plane and team bus etc? No chance. He wouldn’t be very welcome by the coaches if he/she did that. It’s not covering it up, it’s just choosing to write about other things.

If everything you are accusing them of is 100% true, then at the absolute worst they sat on in for three days and then asked the coach to publicly address it in the post-game press conference. Not exactly Watergate here. If months went by and some outsider uncovered the story and it came to light that way, yeah that’s a cover-up. But three days and then it gets addressed in no uncertain terms, I’m not seeing the major problem.

As you seem to be aware though, it isn’t always readily available what ingredients are actually in supplements as it is an poorly regulated industry. That said, it’s a player’s responsibility if it goes in his body. My only point is to say that it’s very possible that he had no idea the banned stimulant was even in the supplement.

Back to the point that’s been brought up many times, a press release like that is revealing inside information to an opponent heading into the most important game of the year. All of this can be just as easily explained as a strategic protection of a players playing status as it can be a conspiracy to cover it up. Depending on one’s perspective they will decide for themselves which perspective they choose.

I think this is a perfectly rational and reasonable conclusion to draw from all of this. If you think that NDSU and the Fargo media have a mutually beneficial business relationship that they work to preserve by entering what you may consider a grey area of reporting ethics, then ok. What I take exception with are others on this board who are attempting to conflate that relationship with some master conspiracy and diminish NDSU’s success by assuming the whole team is on steroids.

That’s not what a troll is. Providing an opposing viewpoint is called a conversation.

I did. Every once in a while I somehow convince myself that actual logic will prevail in these situations. I’ll learn someday...maybe, haha.

You guys are hilarious. I guess the level of outrage around here is completely dependent on whose ox is being gored. Keep your holier than thou attitude for when UND’s player go through their next failed test, we both know it’s just a matter of time for every team.

See that’s the problem here that you seem not to be understanding. Nobody cheated, he broke the rules and was appropriately punished per the NCAA. It’s being reported, just not as immediate as UND fans would like. It would be cheating if an ineligible player had played following a positive test.

I’m not saying anything, I have zero insider info. Reporting is a choice, which stories you decide to make important is subjective at all levels of reporting. It isn’t as if the media didn’t have a million other stories to run that are arguably just as interesting to their readers. You sincerely think it’s the job of the media to objectively report? It hasn’t been that way in 50+ years if it was ever that way. They didn’t cover something up, they just chose not to run it as a story until after the game. I don’t see the scandal here.

The point doesn’t change. Answer this question directly: Is it the job of local media to provide a competitive advantage to the opponent?

I think FlinFlan80 made a great point above about that. Is it the local media’s job to reveal insider information to your opponent that could help the opponent? What if the player wasn’t planning to play for some other reason, like an injury. Should the media that covers the local team all year write stories about that to “be a good journalist” or should they keep that to themselves as to not give away insider info to an opponent. I think some may be making a mountain out of a mole hill on this one.

What exactly is the scandal here in your mind? If he had played in the game and then it came out that he tested positive, sure now we have a pretty shady situation. But, he didn’t make the trip, he didn’t play, the coach addressed it directly in no uncertain terms and the player is appealing the suspension. In all honesty, even if the shoe was on the other foot here and it was a UND player I wouldn’t be unsatisfied with the story being told at this stage. Now, if some of the other rumors turn out to be true, I would expect there to be some questions asked, but at this stage what more is there to say about it?

I was confusing two conversation I had on the timing. The first that I know about Coach Klieman addressing it publicly is in the post-game presser, not the pregame. 22:45, question by Kolpack

I’m sure that gets a lot of laughs in circles you run in.