Bison06

Agreed. But if the data that being used for the projections is flawed, wouldn’t the decisions being made also be flawed? We are being asked to trust the science, when the science is corrupted, possibly to the point of being irrelevant. I realize they have to go off of something, but wrong is wrong.

They’ll keep moving the goalposts on safety until the schools are forced closed. It’s been obvious from the get go that Walz didn’t want to open the schools, regardless of what he says in his press conferences.

Even if it isn’t the sole reason, what percentage of inflation are you ok with making significant decisions off of? We are making massively impactful decisions off of this data and they have basically admitted the data is inflated. How is that ok?

You say decreases risk, fine, I agree. The question is by how much? If it’s a significant percentage than most people will take action. Good ideas with provable value tend to take hold organically. However, regardless of the percentage the totality of the picture needs to be assessed when you’re a mature and serious person. What is being given up to achieve this lowered risk? In the case of masks, my risk/benefit analysis point toward wearing one, but individuals have varied risk tolerances which is why I’m for individuals being able to keep that choice.

So given that, do you understand why people are frustrated with representatives and the media touting increased cases as a problem and a reason to keep restrictions in place?

Exactly and due to this https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/house-bill/5546 there is no penalty at all to the manufacturer if people are hurt by it.

If you replaced mask with vaccine would you feel the same way?

The guy who ends his posts with “lol” is lecturing people on being petulant whiny bit**es. Classic.

I’m fine with the mask, as a choice. Will you be fine tomorrow when it’s something different or will we get to call you a snowflake?

My guess is if someone took the stance that masks are tyranny prior to yesterday, the above meme doesn’t describe them today. As for the rest of us who think it should be a choice, I find it quite concerning that you are celebrating the silencing of opinions and excited about the forced change in someone opinions because they aren’t welcome in public without compliance. I’ve said this previously, but it’s true now more than ever. You are only for this enforcement and alienation of a portion of our citizens because you happen to agree with this particular decision. What happens tomorrow when the mandate is something you don’t agree with?

Experts have the luxury of giving advice that views public health as the only factor in their equation. Easy position to be in when all you have to do is over shoot in terms of precaution. Politicians have a much more complicated equation to solve.

Lies have consequences. If their ultimate goal was to earn the nation’s trust when they roll out recommendations, beginning with a lie is the opposite of what should have been done.

I know exactly why they did it. Doesn’t matter, in fact that makes it worse, they told a bold faced lie. So they flat out lied to us and you think they have our best interests in mind? Whose to say they aren’t giving us more BS half truths in July that will later be justified by “we know what’s best for you”

This is the tone I can’t get on board with. Name calling and judgement. Four months ago, the “most knowledgeable person on the planet” on this subject told people not to wear masks, not four years ago, not four decades ago, four months. Now that advice has changed, but could change back at any moment it seems given the consistency of the message we get from our medical community. If you want to be upset with someone, and call anyone buffoons, be upset with the “experts” for their lack of a consistent message, not at the people who are fed up with a government that consistently lies to them and changes “facts” depending on which way the political winds are blowing.

Certainly seems like it, that’s for sure.

I guess we’ll have to inform the surgeon general he wasn’t a true medical professional until June 2020. Even Fauci somehow wasn’t a true medical professional until very recently it seems.

We are coming at this from positions that will likely never see eye to eye. You seem to trust the government has your best interests in mind, which is surprising given who the current president is and your stated opinion of his politics. I simply do not trust the government, I don’t see them as even in the top 15% of most intelligent and effective people in our society.

The price tag on that would be unimaginable on top of what we’ve already done. Macroeconomics is not a strong point of mine, but I do know that all these bailouts are going to have significant long term consequences on our country. wouldnt it have been easier to let business stay open and let the people who are scared or vulnerable make the decision for themselves? Why must the government be involved so much, people can make their own decisions about which businesses they’d like to patronize.

I had four friends file bankruptcy in June due to their gyms being forced closed.

I think for most people objecting to the mask has nothing to do with the mask. It has to do with opening the door to the next “new normal”. We’ve already been lied to so many times during this pandemic that it isn’t hard to understand why there is a lack of trust when a public policy maker says “just trust us, this is only until the numbers come down” sounds eerily similar to “trust us and close your business so we can flatten the curve” which quickly became “trust us just stay closed longer, it’s worth it if it saves one life”. If somehow, it’s impossible, citizens could be absolutely guaranteed that the mask mandate doesn’t turn into something even more demanding or infringing, most people would be ok with it. But it’s the fear of what next when you start down this road that has most people drawing this line in the sand early. I for one, completely understand that mentality.

So when will the mask mandate end?

Fair argument. Where is the line in your mind then? And who is deciding what measures are taken? Edit: I think it fair to note that many people fight for their right to dress or not dress the way they feel is appropriate. Minneapolis is currently in a fight with many women who feel they should be able to be topless in public.

Covering sexual organs in a civilized society seems to be a good thing as to not expose minors to such things. I can’t speak to the specific history of why modesty is written into our laws.

I also have looked at what the experts are saying and there seems to now be consensus(up until recently it wasn’t so clear) and wearing a mask is a choice I’ll make for myself, but I also believe that each person is free in this country to make their own decisions. That is where we seem to differ. I’ll do what I need to do to protect myself and my family and everyone else can do the same as far as I’m concerned.

Why is that relevant? If one life can be saved...isn’t that what we’re being told? shut down your business and go bankrupt if it’ll save one life. pull your kids out of school and set them back irreversibly if it’ll save one life. can’t or won’t do the above? You’re selfish and only think about yourself and money.