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21 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
and i like how you take a swipe at a couple of teams from a conference you are absolutely dying to get into...
I want nothing to do with the MAC, WAC or Sun Belt, WAC/BSC bogus combo etc. I would be thrilled with the MWC, but it probably won.t happen. I am a realist. The only way a Dakota school goes FBS is in a watered down, FBS/FCS combo after the P5 split.
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1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:
FBS schools get a lot more publicity than FCS ones. Lower level FBS also get more revenue from P5 games, more P5 games, more TV revenue, and CFP revenue - although the WAC won't get any money until the CFP is renewed.
Idaho got more publicity from saying their moving down than NDSU has gotten from winning an FCSU trophy.
Yes, NMSU, Univ of Idaho, ODU, etc., they are in the National news all the time.
And the more watered down the G5(or G7) or whatever it ends up being, the less money the P5 will be willing to share with the have nots of FBS. If FBS football was so profitable, why wouldn't Idaho stay in FBS and collect those huge pay days 6 or 7 times a year. They aren't going to any playoff game anyway, why not just collect the paychecks and publicity of being that bottom feeder FBS program?
Who do you suppose has gotten more national attention in the last 5 years, NDSU football or Ball State, ODU, EMU, BGSU, etc. I was watching an NBA playoff game a couple of weeks ago and the scroll on ESPN has NCAA FB news and it was Klieman signing a 6 year contract extension. How many times has NDSU football been takled about on the national sports scene in the last 4 months?
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9 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:
On bozoville, posters are already denouncing a new FBS WAC. Half the bizon fans base will be gone if you get your way.
The only advantage I can see of going to an FBS WAC is it would be a lot easier to go undefeated in conference play than in an FCS MVFC.
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42 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
Fullerton will make a statement soon, as the WAC information is not publicly known.
The Idaho and NMSU presidents can end their ruzes soon.
So a few day ago after the Idaho prez announced the move down you said he did it to pressure the NCAA to make the rule change. Now you say the WAC and BSC can merge now without any rule changes. Which is it?
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19 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
Am only back for a couple games a year and for one game the tickets can cost up to $50. Used an average ticket price of $40, but concede it's is much lower with season tickets. The total take the REA gets though from men's hockey must be near $10 mill, including tickets, suite rental, parking, concessions, advertising etc.
Champions Club memberships make up a huge fraction of ticket sales as people pay from $135 to $50 k to be members.
My guess is the amounts in the Miller column are the actual ticket revenues not including the CC fees, which is given the the athletic department in the annual CC's donation. But why is the REA getting the revenue from football games being played in the Alerus Center?
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42 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
The Herald article is wrong as sportswriters can't dig and don't know how to look into separate financial balance and income sheets for the REA and UND athletics.
Selling almost 250 k hockey ticket a year is about 10 million
Unless the Ralph can seat 25,000, they aren't taking in 10 million a year. At $420/ticket for the public and $335 for faculty and staff for season tickets, saying there are a little under 10,000 non students tickets, I would say ticket revenue is very close to Mr. Millers $3-4 million than your $10 million.
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7 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
Champions club has expenses to pay such as salaries, charter plane costs, paying the REA for some perks, food, Alerus room rental etc.
The REA has had 20 games including exhibitions and playoffs. The playoff money goes to the NCHC though. Doesn't include suites and premium seating as income on UND's financials.
Why is ticket revenue for football games in the Alerus Center going to the REA?
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16 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
The Herald article is wrong as sportswriters can't dig and don't know how to look into separate financial balance and income sheets for the REA and UND athletics.
UND football on the UND athletics only shows revenue from the Champions club, as does hockey. Those aren't tickets sold but fees to join the club.
All tickets sold go to the REA Trust which funds the arena upkeep, pays REA salaries etc.
Selling almost 250 k hockey ticket a year is about 10 million, plus the football tickets plus the basketball tickets, plus REA concessions, plus REA parking, plus REA advertising. The total UND budget will increase substantially when the REA becomes UND property. So UND athletics real budget is more than $35 million, but sportswriters don't understand and aren't trained on financials.
It must not cost much in Champions Club dues for women's hockey tickets, but it must cost something, since there was a dollar figure for it. At $15/ticket with 5 to 6 thousand paying fans per game, that $410,000 figure for football tickets seems reasonable. Are There really 25 home mens hockey games a year? That seems high to me. And if the Champions Club is taking in $4.5 million a year and giving less than $3 million to UND athletics, what are they doing with the other $1.5 million?
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52 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
It is called strategic thought, which I've never seen ndsu grads capable of. If you ever aspired to be an executive, it's a required thought pattern. Kelley had it but used it to deceive, as did Chapman.
It is called pie in the sky pulled it out of my a@@ thought. UND has athletic budget concerns that moving to FBS won't help. UND's football ticket revenue in 2015 was $410,000. Moving to FBS with the same teams on the schedule will not remedy that. They will still have the same problems filling seats. NDSU takes in more for ONE home game than UND does for an entire season.
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48 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:
It is called strategic thought, which I've never seen ndsu grads capable of. If you ever aspired to be an executive, it's a required thought pattern. Kelley had it but used it to deceive, as did Chapman.
Yes, if that Burgum fellow had just gone to UND he may have made it as an executive...
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On April 30, 2016 at 10:03 PM, SiouxVolley said:
Schools that don't plan on FBS can move at no cost to the WAC, which will certainly take them and start an FCS league within it.
If there ever was a realistic plan for the BSC to go at least partially FBS, why would Idaho announce now that they were going to join the BSC and drop down to FCS. Why wouldn't they play out the next two years in the Sun Belt and not announce a definite plan for another year or two after the BSC has announced an FBS move? They would not announce a drop down now if they didn't think it was their only option. If there was a realistic chance for the BSC to go FBS, there is no way they make this announcement now and take the PR and recruiting hit and start paring down scholarships. My guess is that they are getting better info from the conference office than SV is getting.
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10 hours ago, GDPritch said:
Point on. Like Wentz (size not an issue there), had some big-time FBS/P5 schools recruited him I'm sure he would of gone elsewhere besides NDSU or C Mich (?) I gotta think.
Most likely yes. There are exceptions though, it just depends on what the kid is looking for. Ellefson and Stick turned down Big 10 offers, but it doesn't happen very often.
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13 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:
Davis is AAU so they are R1. Poly isn't part of the UC system, but as mostly an engineering school, it has strong research and a good endowment. FBS was always part of their plans when they each moved from DII.
EWU has plans to expand its stadium with its Gateway Project. Sac St may be getting a new MLS stadium, as the 49ers owners will build it when MLS expands to Sacramento.
NAU and NCol have shown no inclination that they would spend money for FBS or better facilities.
None of the BSC has shown much interest in moving to FBS. Now Fullerton is talking about 2 separate FCS divisions for BSC football. Maybe he isn't as tuned in to the upcoming rule changes from the NCAA as you are. Maybe you could fill him in. He isn't exactly helping to promote you dream. Maybe not every school in the BSC is in as good of shape financially as UND.
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4 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:
That why the whole moving to FCS is a ruse of a PR ploy. Idaho can't afford to move down to FCS with those contracts. The Indiana one was just signed recently. Something is up with the NCAA rule changes. Emmert knows Idaho's situation well since his previous job was at Washington, and he is rumored to want to help them.
It sure is. I can already feel the outrage across the country of "How can we let the Univ of Idaho move down to FCS".
Don't you have to actually have to have the public realize that you play FBS football to really try to play a PR move to get people outraged about moving down?
Now it sounds like Fullerton is talking about separate Big Sky divisions for football, but both divisions FCS.
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On April 17, 2016 at 6:21 PM, SiouxVolley said:
WVU's President announced that the Big 12 won't be expanding. The P5 doesn't want to lose G5 schools as they lose cheaper home games and they were waiting if a Big12 expansion would open up spots for Idaho and NMSU and UMass. Expect a rule change this summer to allow FCS conference with orphan FBS teams to move up to FBS.
So the P5 conferences are so worried about losing 3 bottom feeder FBS schools that they can beat up on theat they are willing to add 30+ FBS schools that have no business moving up? They would be willing to pull in another 30 schools to split up the revenue even further? It doesn't sound like the greedy P5 schools to me. The P5 conferences are encouraging scheduling other P5 schools to increase their strength of schedule anyway, I don't think losing 3 bottom feeder G5 schools will matter much when there have been more than 3 FCS schools to take their place in the last 2 or 3 years.
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8 hours ago, Herd said:
So, the Big Sky is going to be afforded opportunities that are exclusive to the Big Sky? Is that what you are saying? Just because Fullerton's a great guy, is that the reason?
The NCAA has said no Moveup to many FCS conferences over the years. Saying yes to the Big Sky sounds like a big lawsuit from the CAA and it's former members who had to jump though hoops and pay large sums of money to work their way to the FBS. So if the Big Sky can join FBS, can the Pioneer League do it too? What a great deal.
But the other conferences don't have the Univ of Idaho Vandals. Get with it. The other FBS conferences won't be able to rest until they get the Vandals back into the fold. Haven't you read the message boards all over the country clammoring the get Idaho back in the FBS?
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18 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:
Not sure if you saw the Wentz tweet over the weekend, congratulating UND on their Men's Hockey National Championship. Kid has absolute class, maybe take a lesson from the guy if you are going to come onto a Sioux message board and try to get in a pissing match over football programs.
Majority of the people on this board have already acknowledged the ridiculous success your team has had. Yes, they have had many great player, including NFL talent. Does UND have that right now? No. Does that mean they won't get it? No. Remember there was a point in time where NDSU did not have 5 consecutive titles. I'm not saying UND, or any other team, will ever do what NDSU has not (maybe they will, maybe they won't), but UND has shown progress, so it is pretty asinine to really compare these two programs at the moment. If you want that argumentative garbage, go back to bisonville. You want to have a legitimate conversation about UND players and the direction of the program, then stick around.
Sorry, I didn't imply that the size of NFL players contracts made other NFL players making lesss money insignificant in their accomplishments. Kuper and Kleinsasser were very good college and NFL players. And Ratelle is also and I sincerely hope he makes a team. And I think he will, I just hope somebody gives him a chance at LB. He and DeLuca would have made quite the LB combo if they were on the same team. I wish NDSU had him. Nobody would have been able to run on them.
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3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:
According to bisonville, ESPN is pushing the NCAA to allow NDSU to move up to FBS because they love the bizon so much.
When was the last time a schools at the FBS level has ever dropped down a level or dropped football? UAB recanted and doesn't count.
Nobody is trying to push the NCAA to allow NDSU to go FBS just like NOBODY outside of Idaho cares that The Univ of Idaho has no FBS home and has to drop down. Actually, very few people in Moscow, ID even care.
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31 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
Carson Wentz on Twitter: "Huge congratulations to the UND Men's hockey team! So cool. All we do is win here in this great state folks! Well deserved UND. #NoDak"
Exceptional move by this kid. He deserves support from the entire state of North Dakota. With that, this still is a UND site and the majority of this thread's focus should be for Will Ratelle and his potential NFL future.
Will Ratelle may not get drafted, but he will make an NFL roster. It may be better for him to sign as a FA and pick the best situation for himself. He is just a very good FB player and I would hope somebody gives him a shot at LB. He could be a London Fletcher like LB.
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37 minutes ago, darell1976 said:
So Fargo's rioting must have looked like the LA riots from Rodney King trial.
http://www.inforum.com/content/look-back-testicle-festival-riot-2001
That was just a good ol fashioned gypsy brawl. We are talking about the random violence of tipping cars after winning a game. Like Noiseinsidemyhead said, WHY!
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54 minutes ago, darell1976 said:
How do you know this, got that DeLorean working Dr. Brown.
Well, IF he goes #1 or #2, Mariotta got a little over $40 million at #2 last year.
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42 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:
He wasn't 250 when he arrived. Will put in the time here at und to raise his numbers all around including speed. Thanks for your input.
Ok. 6'3" 220 lb linebackers don't go FCS very often. And you are welcome. I will keep it coming...
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4 minutes ago, darell1976 said:
Fargo has murders, robberies, and drug dealers. There was no riot in Grand Forks, a bunch of drunks tipped over 2 cars near UND. Its not like buildings were on fire and looting was going on. Nice try.
Well when you compare populations like most UND fans like to do when you consider support for their team, 2 cars overturned is like hundreds in Detroit. And a gathering of 500 people is like tens of thousands in Detroit which would be a major problem.
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So is Grand Forks the new Detroit now? Murders, robberies, drug dealers and now overturning cars and rioting when the city wins a Championship?
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Darrell vs his neighbors - Round 37
in NCAA News
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Actually, ESPN did know who NDSU was before Wentz stepped on the field. They broadcasted this little program call "Gameday" a couple of times from Fargo before he played a down. They have been on the ESPN network of stations more than a dozen times in the last 4 or 5 years. They actually helped NDSU get an opponent for the opening game this year so they could come back and broadcast another NDSU football game this coming year. It isn't prior to 2011 anymore, even though you UND fans would like to go back to 2003 and start over from there. Maybe it would be a little different if you hadn't been late to the party. But unfortunately for you, that ship has sailed.