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Another sore spot with me is the "young" label. UND has 11 upperclassmen. That has to be average among college teams. The "young" label just means the coaches have not done a great job of landing players at UND lately, which is why I suspect Eades was let go. However, in all fairness, this is not a "young" team.

When did SCSU's coaching get better than UND's ? UND has more raw talent, but SCSU has a better performing team.

Well, frankly, when the coaches all claim to have a "professional approach" to the game, and yet the team can't perform, then what is left but to blame the coaches? Honestly, the last decade has been a bust, and it's not looking good for the near future, either. At what point do you hold the coaches accountable?

Can we get some new coaches too? I'm sorry, but after a decade of BS reasons why we have not excelled as a program, getting outplayed at home tonight is enough for me to blow my top. GOD, I'm sick of this mediocre crap!

Exactly. This may get the elite teams to travel more, but that doesn't mean they will win less, so this may accomplish nothing, if the goal is to get more smaller programs into the playoffs.

What about Voltin & Rowe? Nobody seems to be talking about them here.

"Next season"? Isn't he coming in 2015? UND already has a huge class for 2014. I count a possible 30 player roster as it is.

IMO, the fan base would probably not care as much about the rest of the teams, if the men's hockey and football teams were doing well. However, this years' football team is getting smoked for unreal points against. 55 points by Montana - wow. And as for the hockey team, last year was the first time under Hakstol that they "accomplished nothing". By that, I mean they did not win the WCHA regular season, the WCHA Final Five, nor did they make the Frozen Four. Additionally, they had no "second half surge", and the result was the fewest wins in the Hakstol era. Some people tried to spin it as a good season because they had over 20 wins, but that will never be the standard at UND. Consequently, people are rightly questioning where the program is headed. With each passing year since our last national championship, the heat is going to get turned up.

The fact that today's headlines read "league leading six games", as if we should be happy about that, is kind of pathetic. Nobody who cares about UND hockey should be happy with this deal. It's a huge step back.

I think the "fire Hakstol" folks are out in force this offseason, for a couple of specific reasons: 1) Lowest number of wins in the Hakstol era =22 (previous low was 24, if I'm not mistaken). You can say that a "good" season is 20-plus wins, but I think standards are a bit higher here. 2) No "biggies". In every other year so far, Hak's teams have had at least one major accomplishment (WCHA Champs, Broadmoor Champs, or Frozen Four). This is his first season where none of those things happened. So, I think a lot of people are wondering if the program is headed in the right direction.

I wonder what kind of goaltender the coaches will look at to replace Maris. I have not heard anything, but I'm hoping they recruit a "real" goalie, as Saunders will be a senior next season, and UND had consistency problems in net recently.

Wow. Worst streak of non-wins in a decade. Not a good second half at all so far. The one good thing tonight was the effort and compete level. That was present, but this team has too much talent to be so incredibly ineffective on offense. That was the liability tonight.

Saturday's game was a far better showing by ND. Two posts in overtime - deserved to win that game. Hated seeing the team implode on Friday. Thought yesterday was just plain better hockey. Still need to work on turnovers, though. Short passes, no horizontal passing at the blue lines by forwards.

I don't normally like jumping on individual players, but I have to agree - Schmaltz was brutal tonight. But this loss was a whole team defensive failure. Even Forbort did not have a good game. Saunders started well, but finished very poorlly. Forwards could not get any reboud opportunities at all. All together, a weak showing that got worse as the night went on.

Wish I could beleive that UND will be much better tomorrow, but this is 4 straight where our defense has been terrible, the goaltending has been average, and the forwards have been anything but impressive. Woog put it best: especially toward the end of the game, UND's defense was poor, the goalie was not making many saves, and their "big guns" did not do much of anything.

Given how poorly UND has played the last 4 games, I would not be surprised if UND was blown out again tomorrow. Are we surging yet?

OUTCLASSED in a big way tonight. Forget the conference championship, UND needs to prove that they are not just an (extremely) average team tomorrow. Third straight week where UND's defense looked average, at best. And, our top two lines did very little tonight.

After a disappointingly flat and uninspiring Friday game, its just as important for the team to show that they are not just an average hockey team tonight.

I am in the camp that says "surging" should not be part of the season plan. Not that Hak & Co actually plan it that way. Rather, I would think that they believe in their overall system, but whatever they do seems to take half-a-season to come together. One or two seasons where they don't "surge" would kill the buzz bigtime. But, to their credit, it has not happened yet, and they've got mutliple pieces of hardware, just not the Nattie.

Hak says Rocco will probably not be playing with Knight & Kristo on the top line, so I'm guessing he'll be on the "All freshmen" line again. That makes three dangerous lines, and a 4th line that nobody wants to play against.

Last Saturday, I stayed up late and watched the Fairbanks game. Even though Hak said he was pleased with the effort at the time, he later admitted that the players were not getting to the hard areas and giving themselves a chance to finish plays. Tonight they showed the kind of scrappy, fast, & tenacious play that will give them great success this season, if they keep that mentality. They deserved to win by a wide margin, and they did.

Of course they have the POTENTIAL to be great. But, tonights performance was simply disgusting.

This is one game I wish I hadn't paid to see. One hell of a half-ass performance by UND. Frankly looked like they didn't care for a large part of the game.

I found this "shady looking" ad via Google, which claims to be streaming the game live today. Apparently, it costs $20 ($5 now and $15 later, although I'm not sure how that works). http://www.gamezone....scussions/83156 Anyone ever heard of this? Anyone who has, or is willing to sign up, please reply on this forum so the rest of us can get your feedback.

Roster is posted on UNDsports.com, and some of the players have listed weights that have gone up or down. Mostly in the right direction, from what I can tell. Dickin is gone. Wonder why we did not hear that earlier?