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You are right the AND comes later in the bill.

Final Five is not an NCAA event, it is WCHA, but to advance to the play-offs, they are playing in NCAA events.

How about a big "What if" here. The SBoHE gives control of the issue back to the University saying that it is up to the institution to decide. UND decides to retire the name/logo. The bill says any action to retire the name by the SBoHE AND UND, not SBoHE OR UND. At that point SBoHE can say we didn't do it UND did. The AND is gone. CAS, ScottM or any other legal person have a take on that? Okay, I admit, this is a loooooooong stretch.

Could those penalties be any worse than what would happen if UND is forced to maintain the nickname and be booted out of the Big Sky? My comment about someone going to jail in an earlier post was rhetorical, but I do want to know what would/could happen if the soon-to-be law is violated. The way I read this bill, if UND decided not to use the Sioux logo on the Women's Softball batting helmets, that would violate the bill/law, because that would be discontinued use of the logo. The last sentence of this bill is idiotic.

The long version of the NCAA statement. by Chuck Haga. Questions that need to be asked... What are the implications should UND violate the state law and retire the name/logo? What kind of enforcement is there? What are the implications? Does funding get cut off? Does someone get put in jail because of a well-intention, but reckless law was put on the books? Edit: I know there are laws on the books in a lot of states that are not enforced, usually because they are outdated. Perhaps this is a law that can be unenforced until such time as it is repealed. I readily admit, I don't have a legal mind.

Getting the boot from the Big Sky would have a ripple effect in the athletic department that would not be pretty and would be a detriment to the University as a whole. Name a conference that is going to invite UND, if UND gets booted from the Big Sky. Without a conference, scheduling and recruiting would be virtually impossible. Coaches would leave. Fans would stop coming to games. Donations would dry up. Enrollment would drop. Hockey would not be free from the ensuing chaos. If UND gets places on the H&A list again, you will see scheduling problems for both of the hockey teams as well. Do you see how this can snowball?

Well, there you go, Mr. Carlson. Time to give up that charade and move on.

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In his interview Mac references an interview with Al Carlson. Here is Carlson's interview.... http://www.kfgo.com/uploads/06132011AlCarlson.mp3 Thanks Al.

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In the Hennan/Shaft interview, Shaft said that he wanted to discuss the settlement as it pertain to the REA and wanted to have REA people at the meeting. That would be a meaningful and possibly productive discussion. He didn't limit his comments to discussing only REA, but it would be part of the discussion. The idea that the NCAA would capitulate on the remainder of the settlement and allow UND to keep the Sioux name is not plausible. UND will go have on the H&A list August 15th unless something happens in ND.

UPDATE: Higher ed board's talks with Stenehjem on Sioux nickname status delayed Sooner the better.

The Board typically meets monthly, which is why he is saying July or August. That is what prompted me to say conference call. Edit: From today's SBoHE agenda... Announcements Future Board Meetings  September 15

Carlson: Legislature Doing the Will of the People in Passing Fighting Sioux Nickname Legislation, Holds Out Hope for NCAA Meeting Label this under What does NOT need to Happen"... On second that maybe Carlson needs to hear from the NCAA how stupid this sounds at this point before they show him the door.

ND attorney general talks with Board of Higher Education on Fighting Sioux nickname delayed Not good. May I suggest a conference call?

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I truly think it is the name issue. Naive? Maybe. I also believe that it doesn't matter if miraculously a deal is worked out with the NCAA, the Big Sky could still say "no, you have too much baggage with that". I don't want to have to wait for a special session to repeal it. The legislature power grabbed on this issue and made a decision that wasn't theirs to make. This law needs to deemed unconstitutional and go away. Give the power back to the SBoHE and UND. Change the name and move on.

This thread began with what the SBoHE needs to do. I said that the SBoHE needs to take control of the nickname issue, as it is constitutionally theirs to control. In his interview with Scott Hennan he said that the SBoHE wasn't going to challenge the Fighting Sioux law. Grant is a pretty sharp person. I know that he doesn't want to rumble with the legislature on this, as funding would be severely cut next session, so what is next? What needs to happen for the law to be declared unconstitutional? Who has standing and can bring the case forward? How long would it take?

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