GeauxSioux
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Thank you for all of the kind words and thanks to vlarson for posting this topic. My dad was my hero in life and I will miss him every day. Please pray for my mother, as this will be extremely hard on her as they celebrated their 50th anniversary this past summer. If you would like to read the obituary or find out how to give to Sioux BB as a memorial to Bing, it is posted on Amundson Funeral Home's website.
Thanks.
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From Buckyland ....Sioux name should remain
Some things in sports just don’t make sense to me.For example, how is a team nickname like the Fighting Sioux offensive, but the name Redskins or a logo such as the Cleveland Indians’ is not?
Struggling to find answers? So am I.
Just last week, a lawsuit was settled between the North Dakota Board of Higher Education and the NCAA regarding the University of North Dakota’s use of the Sioux tribal name and logo. The school found out that they have three years to either gain the tribe’s approval to use the “Fighting Sioux” name or else they will have to get rid of it.
Not to bore you with historical facts in a sports column, but at least a little bit of background information is necessary to understand the terms of the dispute. The Sioux tribe, also known as the Dakota at one point, called several states home, including Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and North and South Dakota. Many famous and important Native Americans were members of the Sioux, including Chief Sitting Bull and Chief Crazy Horse. Clearly, the Sioux played an important role in American history.
In my opinion, no. There is nothing wrong with the majority of team names that use Native American tribes, and the Sioux are no exception. When teams chose a mascot, they often pick one that is a tough or fierce competitor (except for maybe teams like the Minnesota Golden Gophers, whose mascot looks more like a chipmunk). In doing so, the person or people being used in the nickname or mascot are being honored as such. The only names or mascots I take issue with are the Redskins and Indians, neither of which do any merit in honoring or respecting Native Americans. -
Minnesota to continue ban of UNDThe University of Minnesota
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And now for something completely different.....
A sad but understandable compromiseLastly, while I understand the need to compromise, in my heart of hearts I wish the NCAA had not compromised and instead kept the pressure on UND to change the nickname. In other words, I wish the NCAA had had the backbone to stand its ground. -
So with the NCAA changing their bylaws to allow for a committee to declare edicts from on high, who are they setting their sights on next? Could it be someone like this..
You never know where they may go next.
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The U of South Dakota was founded in 1862
I realize that USD was the first of the Dakota schools, but I didn't realize that they were going through a possible name change.
My point was that UND predates North Dakota.
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From today's editorial page....Settlement showed courage, leadership
This is the part that convinced me that we may have been able to win the battle, but would ultimately lose the war. For some reason the BTO song "Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet" keeps popping in my head.The main lawsuit claim by UND was that the NCAA violated its own procedures in passing the anti-nickname policy. Even a court victory could have been undone by the NCAA simply changing its bylaws, which the organization was in the process of doing.
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I sort of like the idea of replacing the word "Sioux," which didn't originate from Siouan languages, and replacing it with a word that did.
By the way, how ironic is it that scholars label the languages of the Dakota, Lakota and Nakota as "Siouan," a word derived from "Sioux." Somebody better fix that.
Gotta love the irony of it all.
With the Sitting Bull statue and some of the logos to still be in place at REA, having no new nickname/logo and using "Dakota" on the jerseys will play quite nicely. And since UND (1883) predates North Dakota (1889), Dakota fits historically with the Dakota Territory.
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Just tossing one out there. UND Legends. The logo could be Teddy Roosevelt. Neither the name or the logo are original ideas. Siouxrunner had the name idea here and I think a number of people have mentioned having TR as a logo.
I'm still on board with keeping the current name and logo first, if that does't work out having no nickname or logo and just using "Dakota" on the uniforms, but I just wanted to toss out another option for thought.
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I don't understand why this makes anyone angry. Do you think it's a realistic possibility that UND would adopt no nickname? I don't.
According to paragraph 2.d. of the agreement, UND would be placed back on the list if the transition to a new nickname/logo isn't complete by the stipulated date. If UND decided dump the Fighting Sioux name and not to have a nickname/logo, I can't believe the NCAA would put UND back on the list. That would be rather foolish. UND could just say, we choose "no nickname/logo".
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Leave the name the University of North Dakota. No new nickname for now. We can still cheer for the Sioux, it is our right of freedom of speech.
I like the idea of no new nickname. The basketball teams could have Dakota on the front. We could have a football helmet similar to what I said here. Hockey could go back to the "North Dakota".
I will miss the logo, but UND will always be the Sioux to me and I don't think I like any of the nicknames that I've heard, even the ones that I've thought of.
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The more I read about the settlement, the more I think that Stenehjem got the best deal he could get, knowing that this could have been extended for years, costing millions and the NCAA could just simply change their by-laws and force UND to change the name.
One element of UND's legal argument against the NCAA is that the association violated its own bylaws by passing the 2005 American Indian nickname ban with only a vote of its executive committee, not the entire membership.The NCAA has begun the process of altering its bylaws to allow the executive committee to pass such a policy, Stenehjem said. If they are successful, he said, the NCAA would be able to overrule any jury's decision.
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Weren't there elections last month at Standing Rock. Perhaps there has been a change in the council that is more supportive of the population and he isn't liking that fact???
I agree with The Sicatoka, the fact that Standing Rock and Spirit Lake have to put up or shut up will be interesting to watch. It's like someone who is running for office and they are continually tearing down their opponent. They finally win the election and say "now what do I do", only this is worse because not only can it cost you your personal prestige it can also cost the people of Standing Rock and Spirit Lake in the long run. A weight has just been put on Ron His Horse is Thunder. He won't sleep well tonight.
I'm placing the odds on getting approval at 50/50. If it doesn't happen, we move on. If that happens, the real losers in the situation are going to be the people of Standing Rock and Spirit Lake and they can look within for blame.
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From Article 2.c.
"...namesake approval from Standing Rock shall be adopted by any means allowed in the Tribe's Constitution and shall be in writing. ..."Does anyone know what means are allowed in the Tribe's constitution?
Is it possible that the AG office knows of a means to obtain approval from both Spirit Lake and Standing Rock of which we are not aware?
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Sports Illustrated article Fighting Sioux name lawsuit settled
"The settlement confirms that the Sioux people and no one else should decide whether and how their name should be used," Bernard Franklin, an NCAA senior vice president, said in a statement.The settlement includes a statement by the NCAA calling UND is a "national leader in offering educational programs to Native Americans."Board of Higher Education President John Q. Paulsen said he was pleased by the recognition.
"The University of North Dakota deserves to have its honor restored in terms of its long-standing commitment to programs for Native American students," Paulsen said.
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I think some folks at UND have some work to do in the next 3 years.
Go Sioux !!!
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State board approves nickname settlement
The North Dakota Board of Higher Education today approved a settlement agreement in the UND-NCAA lawsuit.The agreement requires the school to win tribal approval for its Fighting Sioux nickname and logo within three years or retire it.
UND must win approval from the tribal councils of both the Standing Rock and Spirit Lake reservations.
If that approval is granted, it may be withdrawn at any time and UND must change its nickname within one year, said Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem.
According to the settlement, the NCAA also must post on its Web site a statement essentially withdrawing its claim that UND is hostile and abusive. Stenehjem said the agreement already has been signed by the NCAA.
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I've shown the clip of this goal to a number of people, some that know nothing about hockey and they have all marveled. One thing that hit me while watching it for the 10th time is how Toews handled himself. He celebrated with his teammates at the board, skated over and sat on the bench. If this had been an NFL game and some rookie running back had scored a touchdown of beauty, he likely would have been taunting the other team or doing some other "me me me" antics. Gotta love hockey!
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NDUS meetings are typically held on Thursdays according to the meeting schedule. They probably moved this meeting from Thursday to Friday for October to accommodate this issue.
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I wonder if Judge Jahnke didn't tell the NCAA that they better get this thing settled or he would reconsider the document sealing motion. It seems as though this happened very quickly after he denied the request that they be opened.
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You know I think we need to cross our fingers and hope so...
I am hoping the Board isn't caving to the p.c. zealots...
They got one black eye today with the presidential search committee article. They would be yelling for Mick to cut their eyes open (ala Rocky) if they caved now.
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Forum editoriarl: N.D. open records law must applyRemarks by the headhunter who helped recruit applicants for president of the University of North Dakota ought to trouble higher education officials. Consultant James Appleberry told the search committee the greatest deterrent to applicants was North Dakota
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"The lawsuit does not involve the U of M as a party," he said.
Rotenberg said there's a possibility the court ruling may prompt the University to reconsider its standing policy.
"The outcome of the UND-NCAA litigation will be carefully reviewed by our office," he said.
Rotenberg said the University would look at the future ruling out of respect for NCAA nondiscrimination policies.
"There are circumstances that might arise regarding certain teams or schedules," he said, "where the athletic director might wish to make an exception."
I guess I will never understand how UND is trivializing American Indian history. If anything it brings it more to the forefront and when done with respect, which is what UND does, can porivde a deeper understanding of the history of the Sioux in North Dakota.Miller said the Fighting Sioux image is a hurtful appropriation of an identity for the purposes of non-native people."That mascot-logo trivializes American Indian history in the Dakotas," Miller said. "You really have to step back and think about what it means on a deeper level."
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Very sad.
Bing Larson
in Men's Basketball
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I also want to thank the people of Grand Forks and UND. To have 200 people stay for lunch after the funeral was very comforting to my family. We got to talk to a lot of folks, reminisce and console each other.