Oxbow6 Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I've already answered a hundred times, I want UND in the Summit as soon as possible. There is no reason to waste 2012-13 if they can be in the Summit. Saving the nickname is not a good enough excuse. I get what you want! But to a vast majority of UND fans/alumni and boosters like myself...I want UND to get a fair shake in the nickname process. Period! The Summit, as I said before, is not the crown jewel for this university and the athletic dept. as you make it out to be. IMO the potential retention of the nickname/logo, if given a fair process under the timeline laid out by the NC$$, is a much bigger potential gain overall in the long term than cutting it loose for the sake of gaining enterance into the Summit. I know we'll disagree on this, but from purely a long term financial, PR, marketing, ect...the nickname retention will have much bigger benefits that racing over to the Summit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I've already answered a hundred times, I want UND in the Summit as soon as possible. There is no reason to waste 2012-13 if they can be in the Summit. Saving the nickname is not a good enough excuse. Skippy this is a Fighting Sioux message board you have no impact on if UND gets into the second rate mediocre Summit League. I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 But a majority of the people here on ss.com and more importantly the people of Spirit Lake want to keep the name. The people of Standing Rock still haven't voted on the issue. You on the other hand could care less if the name remains or is done away with...there lies the difference. That is a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Siouxman Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Here's my point: what if they said that it was their culture such that they were not allowed to make a decision until 100 years had passed? Obviously that's ridiculous. But when does it stop becoming ridiculous? 10 years? 5 years? 1 year? There's some amount of time where you say "ok, you've had enough time to consult the spirit elders or whatever, what is your decision". How long is that? You missed my point. They don't have to say anything. Because of the dealings that I have had with various tribes, it is always like this. In my company we have learned that it simply is the way that they do things. They never say this is the way it is. Everything is simply done in their time, not yours or mine. You either learn to accept their culture or you don't have dealings with them. That is the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 You missed my point. They don't have to say anything. Because of the dealings that I have had with various tribes, it is always like this. In my company we have learned that it simply is the way that they do things. They never say this is the way it is. Everything is simply done in their time, not yours or mine. You either learn to accept their culture or you don't have dealings with them. That is the way it is. Then you don't deal with them. Sorry, that's how I view it. You don't get an excuse to be lazy and slow just because you claim that it's your culture. You get left out of the deal, if that be the case! I wonder if the state said they had 1 month to make a decision about a casino if they'd tell the state they need a year to think about it because that's their culture? Doubt it. Amazing how when something is a priority it can be sped up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 I get what you want! But to a vast majority of UND fans/alumni and boosters like myself...I want UND to get a fair shake in the nickname process. Period! The Summit, as I said before, is not the crown jewel for this university and the athletic dept. as you make it out to be. IMO the potential retention of the nickname/logo, if given a fair process under the timeline laid out by the NC$, is a much bigger potential gain overall in the long term than cutting it loose for the sake of gaining enterance into the Summit. I know we'll disagree on this, but from purely a long term financial, PR, marketing, ect...the nickname retention will have much bigger benefits that racing over to the Summit. 1 of every 3 Spirit Lake members voted against the nickname. 1 in 3! Vast majority! LOL! We'll see what Standing Rock votes, if they have a vote in time. But this fantasy about 90+% support is such a joke. If you want to set back your athletic department 5-10 years because 60% of people support the nickname, then I'm glad you do don't get to make the decisions at UND! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreSiouxForYou Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Then you don't deal with them. Sorry, that's how I view it. You don't get an excuse to be lazy and slow just because you claim that it's your culture. You get left out of the deal, if that be the case! I wonder if the state said they had 1 month to make a decision about a casino if they'd tell the state they need a year to think about it because that's their culture? Doubt it. Amazing how when something is a priority it can be sped up! We'd buy them off but you would get mad at us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreSiouxForYou Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 1 of every 3 Spirit Lake members voted against the nickname. 1 in 3! Vast majority! LOL! We'll see what Standing Rock votes, if they have a vote in time. But this fantasy about 90+% support is such a joke. If you want to set back your athletic department 5-10 years because 60% of people support the nickname, then I'm glad you do don't get to make the decisions at UND! Funny, 2 of 3 is more than the "Landslide public vote" that Obama won by. Barack Obama Democratic Illinois 69,456,897 52.92% John McCain Republican Arizona 59,934,814 45.66% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 1 of every 3 Spirit Lake members voted against the nickname. 1 in 3! Vast majority! LOL! We'll see what Standing Rock votes, if they have a vote in time. But this fantasy about 90+% support is such a joke. If you want to set back your athletic department 5-10 years because 60% of people support the nickname, then I'm glad you do don't get to make the decisions at UND! Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy, Skippy... Please go away and find something to do that includes not poluting our board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knickball2 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Hey, Goon, I've tried to reason with the "skippy" but any position except banishing the nickname and getting into the Summit as quickly as possible is unacceptable to him. I believe I've only seen one other individual on this board calling for the same, so we can all respectfully assume that the overwhelming majority of Sioux fans want the process to play out, and indeed want the nickname/logo saved. You know, I follow the other universities in North Dakota as much as anyone, but I would never presume to be a "Bison" expert and go onto their board spewing antagonistic rhetoric. What about those Bison, and the demand that the Sioux/Bison football game be every other year. Minneapolis/Bison rants of fiscal responsibility, when that one football game is annually a fiscal boom for both schools and the state of North Dakota, where's the deep sense of outrage over that bonehead stance. NDSU's athletic director seems to believe that the Bison are so beyond the Fighting Sioux in football, that it's a step down. Much like the greatest sports moment in Bison history, the loss to Kansas in basketball, the football program's claim to fame is beating the vaunted Minnesota Gophers worst team in school history. Come on Gene Taylor, before you know it, the University of North Dakota will be surpassing your agriculture school in your precious sport of football, and you will look like the goof you are. As long as Dale Lennon is coaching at Southern Illinois, the Bison will be also rans in the Missouri Valley Conference. Primary difference between the two programs, UND has been dealing with the D-1 big boys for years, we been beating the Gophers for years in a sport that Minnesota excels in, so big deal if the Bison win one football game against a down program, and in conclusion, everyone here knows what I think of the Summit League, yeah, go Oakland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ole in MSP Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Hey, Goon, I've tried to reason with the "skippy" but any position except banishing the nickname and getting into the Summit as quickly as possible is unacceptable to him. I believe I've only seen one other individual on this board calling for the same, so we can all respectfully assume that the overwhelming majority of Sioux fans want the process to play out, and indeed want the nickname/logo saved. You know, I follow the other universities in North Dakota as much as anyone, but I would never presume to be a "Bison" expert and go onto their board spewing antagonistic rhetoric. What about those Bison, and the demand that the Sioux/Bison football game be every other year. Minneapolis/Bison rants of fiscal responsibility, when that one football game is annually a fiscal boom for both schools and the state of North Dakota, where's the deep sense of outrage over that bonehead stance. NDSU's athletic director seems to believe that the Bison are so beyond the Fighting Sioux in football, that it's a step down. Much like the greatest sports moment in Bison history, the loss to Kansas in basketball, the football program's claim to fame is beating the vaunted Minnesota Gophers worst team in school history. Come on Gene Taylor, before you know it, the University of North Dakota will be surpassing your agriculture school in your precious sport of football, and you will look like the goof you are. As long as Dale Lennon is coaching at Southern Illinois, the Bison will be also rans in the Missouri Valley Conference. Primary difference between the two programs, UND has been dealing with the D-1 big boys for years, we been beating the Gophers for years in a sport that Minnesota excels in, so big deal if the Bison win one football game against a down program, and in conclusion, everyone here knows what I think of the Summit League, yeah, go Oakland. Amen, let's move on without the Bison! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Hey, Goon, I've tried to reason with the "skippy" but any position except banishing the nickname and getting into the Summit as quickly as possible is unacceptable to him. I believe I've only seen one other individual on this board calling for the same, so we can all respectfully assume that the overwhelming majority of Sioux fans want the process to play out, and indeed want the nickname/logo saved. You know, I follow the other universities in North Dakota as much as anyone, but I would never presume to be a "Bison" expert and go onto their board spewing antagonistic rhetoric. What about those Bison, and the demand that the Sioux/Bison football game be every other year. Minneapolis/Bison rants of fiscal responsibility, when that one football game is annually a fiscal boom for both schools and the state of North Dakota, where's the deep sense of outrage over that bonehead stance. NDSU's athletic director seems to believe that the Bison are so beyond the Fighting Sioux in football, that it's a step down. Much like the greatest sports moment in Bison history, the loss to Kansas in basketball, the football program's claim to fame is beating the vaunted Minnesota Gophers worst team in school history. Come on Gene Taylor, before you know it, the University of North Dakota will be surpassing your agriculture school in your precious sport of football, and you will look like the goof you are. As long as Dale Lennon is coaching at Southern Illinois, the Bison will be also rans in the Missouri Valley Conference. Primary difference between the two programs, UND has been dealing with the D-1 big boys for years, we been beating the Gophers for years in a sport that Minnesota excels in, so big deal if the Bison win one football game against a down program, and in conclusion, everyone here knows what I think of the Summit League, yeah, go Oakland. What a highlight reel of your personal biases! You're no business man. You would make decisions for UND's athletic department like a child, all heart, no logic. I'm glad that there are a some businessmen with strong heads on their shoulders who run the show, not a bunch of blowhards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 What a highlight reel of your personal biases! You're no business man. You would make decisions for UND's athletic department like a child, all heart, no logic. I'm glad that there are a some businessmen with strong heads on their shoulders who run the show, not a bunch of blowhards. Did you have a traumatic brain injury or something? Go away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knickball2 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Grand Forks Herald once again carries one of Erich Longie's many letters to the editor/his opinion, claims to have garnered 300 plus signatures to get a second vote at Spirit Lake. More than likely same 300 people that voted against nickname/logo first time around. Longie does not have the following to change the vote, the youth at Spirit Lake are wearing the logo all over the reservation. Erich simply likes a soapbox upon which to stand, so everyone will know who he is. He likes to think he's important. Note, this is the same individual that has like three degrees from UND, and his focus is on the famed UND party where some girls were dressed in Indian costumes. He has been attempting to depict this as a constant, however this is already over two years old. Give his opinion very little weight, credibility does count in this debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knickball2 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Let me think, the Fighting Sioux Logo is the largest selling logo in all of College Hockey, the logo was recently voted the nicest logo in all of hockey. At the University of North Dakota, Fighting Sioux hockey is king, generates the majority of the athletic revenue for the department, what with sell out after sell out, and even a Sunday night sell out against the Gophers. Hey Bison Boy, exactly what revenue has UND lost out on that the Summit League would have supplied. I'll go out on a limb here, exactly none. Not a penny, and judging from the farm school to the south, I'll reserve my fiscal analysis of that institution for further review. Sound fiscal and business judgment would dictate that the Bison lose as much by not playing the Fighting Sioux as the Sioux do, so stop pretending to be the voice of reason, everyone in here knows otherwise. Ha, you call me a blowhard, you and your gazillion posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Let me think, the Fighting Sioux Logo is the largest selling logo in all of College Hockey, the logo was recently voted the nicest logo in all of hockey. At the University of North Dakota, Fighting Sioux hockey is king, generates the majority of the athletic revenue for the department, what with sell out after sell out, and even a Sunday night sell out against the Gophers. Hey Bison Boy, exactly what revenue has UND lost out on that the Summit League would have supplied. I'll go out on a limb here, exactly none. Not a penny, and judging from the farm school to the south, I'll reserve my fiscal analysis of that institution for further review. Sound fiscal and business judgment would dictate that the Bison lose as much by not playing the Fighting Sioux as the Sioux do, so stop pretending to be the voice of reason, everyone in here knows otherwise. Ha, you call me a blowhard, you and your gazillion posts. Actually, the Summit League received money from the NCAA MBB tournament for Oakland's game. UND missed out on that money by not being a member of the Summit. It's not much, but more than none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Actually, the Summit League received money from the NCAA MBB tournament for Oakland's game. UND missed out on that money by not being a member of the Summit. It's not much, but more than none. So are you implying that the $$$ each school in the Summit receives from the NCAA MBB tourney on a yearly basis could be a bigger financial gain than the sales of the UND current nickname/logo on a yearly basis?? Ridiculous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 So are you implying that the $$$ each school in the Summit receives from the NCAA MBB tourney on a yearly basis could be a bigger financial gain than the sales of the UND current nickname/logo on a yearly basis?? Ridiculous! MPLSBison fan just keeps prattling along... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 MPLSBison fan just keeps prattling along... Didn't know I was "making meaningless sounds suggestive of chatter" (I asume you know that's what prattling means) by respondong to another ridiculous post. MplsBison fan? I'd advise you to stop taking shots while you have the chance...I've read a number, too many to count, of your "prattling" posts in the past!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Didn't know I was "making meaningless sounds suggestive of chatter" (I asume you know that's what prattling means) by respondong to another ridiculous post. MplsBison fan? I'd advise you to stop taking shots while you have the chance...I've read a number, too many to count, of your "prattling" posts in the past!! Whatever! That wasn't pointed at you I was saying MPLSBison Fan endless prattle, not you... How the hell did you think I was pointing that comment at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Actually, the Summit League received money from the NCAA MBB tournament for Oakland's game. UND missed out on that money by not being a member of the Summit. It's not much, but more than none. UND isn't even a full fledged member of Division 1 yet so I doubt they would get any money until they finished the transition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 So are you implying that the $$ each school in the Summit receives from the NCAA MBB tourney on a yearly basis could be a bigger financial gain than the sales of the UND current nickname/logo on a yearly basis?? Ridiculous! UND won't lose a cent in merchandise sales if the Sioux logo can no longer be put on 'official' athletic department gear. People will keep buying kelly green and black 'UND Hockey' gear. Nice try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 UND isn't even a full fledged member of Division 1 yet so I doubt they would get any money until they finished the transition. But the Summit will have at least one member in the tournament every year. So that is money you're missing out on every year you're not a member. Plus, when (not if) a Summit member wins a game, that's more money. And when (not if) the Summit gets two teams in, that's more money. Get on board or keep losing money in the Great West, a pretty easy decision for a businessman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 UND won't lose a cent in merchandise sales if the Sioux logo can no longer be put on 'official' athletic department gear. People will keep buying kelly green and black 'UND Hockey' gear. Nice try. So how do you plan on measuring that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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