nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 UND's recruiting area is also shared by SDSU, and USD and they didn't cry like babies in scheduling UND. Again, so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 One more time and after I am done arguing this with you. You can't argue with someone who has no idea what they are arguing about. 2003 and 2004 GT BEGGED UND for a game. RT said no. 2005 no offered game. Starting in 2006 NDSU starts building this machine and beating FBS teams. UND comes knocking on the door, after thumbing their noses at NDSU and trying to burry us, and you think GT should just be all cherry and accept it? Before GT ever changed the terms, or however you see it, there was a gigantic arrogant dick named Roger Thomas who ruined this rivalry. We would not even be here discussing this today had Roger Thomas kept the rivalry game alive. Again, you expected UND to schedule the games when NDSU had a 27 scholarship advantage. And with the conceited attitude exhibited by you and other Bison fans it is obvious that NDSU would have cancelled the series at some point when it would be convenient for NDSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 UND's recruiting area is also shared by SDSU, and USD and they didn't cry like babies in scheduling UND. Who fing cares. USD, SDSU and USD are all playing second fiddle to NDSU right now when it comes to recruiting. You have bragging rights over scraps through those games. Also SDSU and USD rarely recruit or get North Dakota kids. That competition is basically NDSU/UND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Again, you expected UND to schedule the games when NDSU had a 27 scholarship advantage. And with the conceited attitude exhibited by you and other Bison fans it is obvious that NDSU would have cancelled the series at some point when it would be convenient for NDSU.[/quote UND accepted and scheduled a game against UNI, a team with 27 more scholarships, before they picked up the phone and started talking to NDSU. Convience for NDSU? Sorry to blur your vision with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Really? After scheduling und....did you watch their press conference? Or was the public library's Internet access down? Who's press conference are you referring to, and when? If you're referring to NDSU's this year, exactly what point are you trying to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 OK, so why didn't UND sign the 4-year contact? Do you mean in 2003? What don't you understand about Not scheduling a game against a 100 year rival, located 70 miles away, in the same state, when you play at the same level of competition with equal scholarships would be considered "running". UND and NDSU were at the same level in Division II. They returned to the same level when UND finished the transition to Division I FCS. In between those years they weren't playing on a level field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 UND got a paycheck for playing that single game, just like when UND or NDSU goes to play a FBS team. UND wasn't going to get that from NDSU during a home and home series. And that single game against a FCS school was a trial run at a game against the upper division, much like NDSU playing Montana. Not even remotely similar to signing an ongoing home and home series against a long term rival. But keep trying to compare apples and pumpkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Who fing cares. USD, SDSU and USD are all playing second fiddle to NDSU right now when it comes to recruiting. You have bragging rights over scraps through those games. Also SDSU and USD rarely recruit or get North Dakota kids. That competition is basically NDSU/UND. Obviously you care. You are the one that says all hell is going to break lose if UND even goes "toe to toe" with NDSU including recruiting. Other schools in the recruiting footprint aren't worried and scheduled UND with no fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Do you mean in 2003? What don't you understand about UND and NDSU were at the same level in Division II. They returned to the same level when UND finished the transition to Division I FCS. In between those years they weren't playing on a level field. Why did UND negotiate, schedule and play an established UNI program in 2006 when they were not on a level playing field but who up to that point would not play a transitioning struggling FCS NDSU team who had proved nothing at the FCS level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Obviously you care. You are the one that says all hell is going to break lose if UND even goes "toe to toe" with NDSU including recruiting. Other schools in the recruiting footprint aren't worried and scheduled UND with no fear. Those schools aren't winning FCS national championships and getting pick of the litter right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Again, you expected UND to schedule the games when NDSU had a 27 scholarship advantage. And with the conceited attitude exhibited by you and other Bison fans it is obvious that NDSU would have cancelled the series at some point when it would be convenient for NDSU. UND was under no obligation to schedule NDSU after NDSU left the NCC. They were, however, under an obligation to deal with NDSU in a fair and ethical manner. IMO, verbally promising to sign a deal and then reneging on the promise (in highly insulting terms) at the last minute is neither fair nor ethical. What goes around comes around, and it's coming around for UND right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 In 2006 when UND played UNI RT was NOT with UND he was the NCC commissioner, so all your bitching about 03 and RT has no merit to what Brian Faison was trying to do. He had nothing, zero to do with what happened in 2003 but yet you want to associate him with that. GT was there in 03 and was continuing to move the terms during different administrations at UND. It wasn't until he left was it signed. Showed what a baby GT was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 UND got a paycheck for playing that single game, just like when UND or NDSU goes to play a FBS team. UND wasn't going to get that from NDSU during a home and home series. And that single game against a FCS school was a trial run at a game against the upper division, much like NDSU playing Montana. Not even remotely similar to signing an ongoing home and home series against a long term rival. But keep trying to compare apples and pumpkins. UND would not have got a paycheck from playing NDSU? Jesus I know you guys don't get much when you schedule us, but we give you a little more than bus money. You honestly don't think up until that point GT would not have accepted that same offer? The honest UND fans will admit that they wanted to burry us and thought it would hurt NDSU if UND did not play them. Just be honest dude and admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Those schools aren't winning FCS national championships and getting pick of the litter right now. So after this year NDSU won't win titles, I am sure your football team will love to hear you say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 UND got a paycheck for playing that single game, just like when UND or NDSU goes to play a FBS team. UND wasn't going to get that from NDSU during a home and home series. And that single game against a FCS school was a trial run at a game against the upper division, much like NDSU playing Montana. Not even remotely similar to signing an ongoing home and home series against a long term rival. But keep trying to compare apples and pumpkins. It wouldn't make much sense for NDSU and UND to have exchanged checks in a home and home deal, would it? That's why no money changes hands in a home and home deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 IMO, verbally promising to sign a deal and then reneging on the promise (in highly insulting terms) at the last minute is neither fair nor ethical. What does Gene Taylor have to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 So after this year NDSU won't win titles, I am sure your football team will love to hear you say that. Wow! Where in the world did you get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 ame="2011BisonAlumni" post="733292" timestamp="1414637698"] In 2006 when UND played UNI RT was NOT with UND he was the NCC commissioner, so all your bitching about 03 and RT has no merit to what Brian Faison was trying to do. He had nothing, zero to do with what happened in 2003 but yet you want to associate him with that. GT was there in 03 and was continuing to move the terms during different administrations at UND. It wasn't until he left was it signed. Showed what a baby GT was. It showed that Gene Taylor was pissed off and gave UND the Middle Finger that they so elegantly gave us. Why didn't Faison try negotiating with NDSU in 2005 when he signed the UNI deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Who's press conference are you referring to, and when? If you're referring to NDSU's this year, exactly what point are you trying to make? Your team's press conference after they scheduled und. You said they schedule who they want. It didn't appear they really wanted the games scheduled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 UND would not have got a paycheck from playing NDSU? Jesus I know you guys don't get much when you schedule us, but we give you a little more than bus money. You honestly don't think up until that point GT would not have accepted that same offer? The honest UND fans will admit that they wanted to burry us and thought it would hurt NDSU if UND did not play them. Just be honest dude and admit it. Again Faison wasn't at UND until 2008, so why again are you lumping his program with that of Bunning's or Thomas's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosidel Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Why are you bringing Gene Taylor and his actions into this? Again, you're being ridiculous. Gene, never reneged on anything. Offers don't stay open for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 UND would not have got a paycheck from playing NDSU? Jesus I know you guys don't get much when you schedule us, but we give you a little more than bus money. You honestly don't think up until that point GT would not have accepted that same offer? The honest UND fans will admit that they wanted to burry us and thought it would hurt NDSU if UND did not play them. Just be honest dude and admit it. When schools sign home and home series, neither team usually gets a check from the other school. The schools keep the gate from their home date. So, no UND probably would not have gotten a check from NDSU. Sorry you don't understand how that works. The only reason that UND is getting paid for the 2 upcoming games that are both going to be played in Fargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It showed that Gene Taylor was pissed off and gave UND the Middle Finger that they so elegantly gave us. Why didn't Faison try negotiating with NDSU in 2005 when he signed the UNI deal? Kinda hard to do when Faison was the AD at New Mexico State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BisonAlumni Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 So after this year NDSU won't win titles, I am sure your football team will love to hear you say that. No words can explain arguing with you other than brick wall. Goodnight Darell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Wow! Where in the world did you get that? Because UND is playing the other Dakotas and Montana they aren't winning titles and getting their pick of the litter. BisonAlumni's words not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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