sprig Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20032004/m/11/20/waynest-msu.php One of the Christmas tourney cupcakes (I think??) beat MSU last night. Don't know what's up with these Mich teams. Guess we'll see when they face WCHA cupcakes MN and W in the "big ten" get togerher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 With the winning goal by John Grubb. Is he the former Minot player, who came up with Fylling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 With the winning goal by John Grubb. Is he the former Minot player, who came up with Fylling? Yes, he is. A doctor's son. http://wsuathletics.ocsn.com/sports/m-hock...ubb_john00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 This game got me thinking (a dangerous thing, to be sure). It seems to me that we see more games where the team that dominates possession, shots and play either loses or barely survives than we used to. I don't know whether this is true or not, but it seems that way to me. It may just be the result of being a Sioux fan the last few years, where we saw it a lot. Still, though, I have noticed it a lot this year. I recall that SCSU badly outshot Princeton and barely won. Michigan did the same with a MAAC squad. If I assume that this phenomenon is true, then what is the cause? Is it because college goaltending is better than ever, partly due to goaltending equipement? Is it a lack of finishing talent on offense? I considered the trapping, defensive systems as a cause, but I'm not sure that's it, since that should prevent the dominance in shots as well as keeping the score down. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm not sure the trap is going to limit shots specifically, but it will definitely limit the number of quality shots and second opportunities off rebounds. I would think scoring chances would be a better indicator of dominance when looking at teams that play a defensive style. In my opinion, better goaltending and a focus on defense overall has allowed "inferior" teams to keep scores close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 With the winning goal by John Grubb. Is he the former Minot player, who came up with Fylling? seen this kid play and he is a decent hockey player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux fan in phoenix Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 All I can say is that I'm glad this bizarre trend isn't only happening to UND. A team that badly outshoots another points out the obvious: one team has considerably more offensive talent but maybe not necessarily a better defense or goalie. Combine that with a close-checking game (neutral zone or left-wing trap), some well-conditioned guys & a hot goalie & I guess anything's possible. Dunno for sure, but it sure is frustrating for fans of decidedly "better" teams. Surprising that Wayne St. pulled this off as they lost a boatload of seniors last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 In my opinion, better goaltending and a focus on defense overall has allowed "inferior" teams to keep scores close. Must .... resist .... temptation .... to mention .... last .... we-e-e-e-ekend. The trap; right-wing lock; weak-wing high; one-man forecheck; whatever you want to call it, recent history shows that focusing on defense first and counter-punching the other team's turnovers and other mistakes can win games. PS - I read the title of this thread and "man bites dog" flashed in my head for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Comley's Spartans fell to the Warriors in overtime, 3-2, on what can be considered a 'garbage' goal ... I'm sure that someone here can confirm that those are to be officially known as: "Ciccarellis!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm sure that someone here can confirm that those are to be officially known as: "Ciccarellis!" Poor Dino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaNorthStar Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm sure that someone here can confirm that those are to be officially known as: "Ciccarellis!" Confirmed . A garbage goal is a goal. Counts the same as any other...and Ciccarelli was king of them!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I don't know whether this is true or not, but it seems that way to me. It may just be the result of being a Sioux fan the last few years, where we saw it a lot. Still, though, I have noticed it a lot this year. I recall that SCSU badly outshot Princeton and barely won. Michigan did the same with a MAAC squad. If I assume that this phenomenon is true, then what is the cause? Is it because college goaltending is better than ever, partly due to goaltending equipement? Is it a lack of finishing talent on offense? Could the goaltender who sees few shots lose his edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Could the goaltender who sees few shots lose his edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Say what you want about garbage goals, but when they are made in favor of your team, a goal is a goal is a goal. If they are against your team, it downright sucks. I mean, think about the term "Kollar goal" and what's the first thought that comes to mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux fan in phoenix Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Say what you want about garbage goals, but when they are made in favor of your team, a goal is a goal is a goal. If they are against your team, it downright sucks. I mean, think about the term "Kollar goal" and what's the first thought that comes to mind? A floating wrister from center ice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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