sagard Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I am as disappointed as the next guy with this showing, but in their defense they did badly outplay the Slovakia team today. The Slovakian goalie had 44 saves (many of them outstanding) compared to McCollum's 14. McCollum may very well be the best goalie and deserved to be on the team and to start, but he shat the bed today and should have been pulled. I agree with whoever said it that this started vs. Canada, when they started showboating in front of the Canadian bench. Instead of being pissed about the sucker punch, Rolston should have given his players an a** chewing for their antics against Canada. A game is not 10 minutes long, and Canada is the WRONG team to be doing that against. It shouldn't happen against any team, especially Canada. This has become too commonplace for US teams to have such an embarassing showing at this tournament, and it needs to change. McCollum and the defense stunk all tourney. I think Rolston is in way over his head as well. Not sure why they don't get top level college coaches to give it a shot like they have done in the past. I'd feel much better with virtually any WCHA coach behind the bench vs. Rolston. He certainly didn't prepare his team to face success vs. the Canadians. As the Slovaks showed today with proper planning it really isn't that tough to stop a powerful opponent when your ahead 2-3 goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 A couple thoughts about the game/US. in general..... ~They need a coach that has some discipline...this team played with very little. I say give Red Berensen a turn. ~McCollum was horrible. I don't care what his stats are in the OHL, he was brutal. He didn't make any key saves the entire tournament. Why they didn't go to Unice at least one time kind of befuddles me....All of the goals that McCollum gave up today were soft goals....all of them. ~A couple times in the game especially later in the game the U.S. didn't have its top PP unit on the ice (Schroeder, VanR, and Wilson). They did get the PP goal in the third, but other than that late in the second you didn't see much of them on the PP. When it comes to elimination time, and everything is on the line, your studs need to be on the ice, no matter how tired they may be. ~I thought the U.S. defense played very well. Minus that turnover goal off the official. I did call a friend of mine who is an official and he told me that the official shouldn't have even been trailing the play on the wall, and was out of position. That didn't cost the U.S. the game, but another great officiating moment in this tournament. The officiating never surprises me in this tournament.....ever. Its always horrible, and certain guys (Della Rovere) end up getting away with stupid crap because the officials are affraid of the home crowd. I would like to personally recommend Mike Lee for the goaltending position for next years squad. He'll be in his first year at SCSU and is one of the more solid goaltenders in the USHL at this time. He's also had some success with other U.S. junior teams, as I believe he played on the U17 team or something like that up in Canada and won gold. I hope that McCollum has no eligibility left......I don't understand how he can be a first round draft pick....I just don't.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 A couple thoughts about the game/US. in general..... ~They need a coach that has some discipline...this team played with very little. I say give Red Berensen a turn. ~McCollum was horrible. I don't care what his stats are in the OHL, he was brutal. He didn't make any key saves the entire tournament. Why they didn't go to Unice at least one time kind of befuddles me....All of the goals that McCollum gave up today were soft goals....all of them. ~A couple times in the game especially later in the game the U.S. didn't have its top PP unit on the ice (Schroeder, VanR, and Wilson). They did get the PP goal in the third, but other than that late in the second you didn't see much of them on the PP. When it comes to elimination time, and everything is on the line, your studs need to be on the ice, no matter how tired they may be. ~I thought the U.S. defense played very well. Minus that turnover goal off the official. I did call a friend of mine who is an official and he told me that the official shouldn't have even been trailing the play on the wall, and was out of position. That didn't cost the U.S. the game, but another great officiating moment in this tournament. The officiating never surprises me in this tournament.....ever. Its always horrible, and certain guys (Della Rovere) end up getting away with stupid crap because the officials are affraid of the home crowd. I would like to personally recommend Mike Lee for the goaltending position for next years squad. He'll be in his first year at SCSU and is one of the more solid goaltenders in the USHL at this time. He's also had some success with other U.S. junior teams, as I believe he played on the U17 team or something like that up in Canada and won gold. I hope that McCollum has no eligibility left......I don't understand how he can be a first round draft pick....I just don't.... You may get your wish. In this year's evaluation camp in Lake Placid (Aug 1 - 9) there were 5 goalies: 1. Thomas McCollum - Guelph (OHL) 2. Josh Unice - Kitchener (OHL) 3. Jeremy Smith - Plymouth (OHL) 4. Brandon Maxwell - US Nat'l Under 17 5. Mike Lee If my math is correct, only Lee and Maxwell will be eligible for next year's tournament. Of course there will be others that are considered next year, but I don't think it's too crazy to think that Lee will be the starter in the next tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I thought I'd do some research...not sure this proves or disproves anything but: ............USA Coach..........Canada Coach 2009.....Ron Rolston.........Pat Quinn 2008.....John Hynes..........Craig Hartsburgh 2007.....Ron Rolston.........Craig Hartsburgh 2006.....Walt Kyle............Brent Sutter 2005.....Scott Sandelin.....Brent Sutter 2004.....John Hynes.........Mario Durocher 2003.....Lou Vairo...........Marc Habscheid 2002.....Keith Allain.........Stan Butler 2001.....Keith Allain.........Stan Butler 2000.....Jeff Jackson........Claude Julien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 McCollum and the defense stunk all tourney. I think Rolston is in way over his head as well. Not sure why they don't get top level college coaches to give it a shot like they have done in the past. I'd feel much better with virtually any WCHA coach behind the bench vs. Rolston. He certainly didn't prepare his team to face success vs. the Canadians. As the Slovaks showed today with proper planning it really isn't that tough to stop a powerful opponent when your ahead 2-3 goals. I think Team USA needs a NHL coach to run the USA WJC team. Rolston has proved that he can't coach at this level and it is time for the USA to cut its loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 You may get your wish. In this year's evaluation camp in Lake Placid (Aug 1 - 9) there were 5 goalies: 1. Thomas McCollum - Guelph (OHL) 2. Josh Unice - Kitchener (OHL) 3. Jeremy Smith - Plymouth (OHL) 4. Brandon Maxwell - US Nat'l Under 17 5. Mike Lee If my math is correct, only Lee and Maxwell will be eligible for next year's tournament. Of course there will be others that are considered next year, but I don't think it's too crazy to think that Lee will be the starter in the next tournament. I think we have had enough of the OHL/CHL boys it is time to play the best goalie. I think Lee might be a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 They get to keep playing for 5th...so if they play poor against the Sioux, the reason will still be that they are really tired and worn out. hey, it's a long walk back from Ottawa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Slovakia is beating Sweden 1-0 after the 1st period in today's semifinal game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 2-1 Slovakia after 2 periods. Sweden scored just after the horn sounded which would have tied it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schwartz Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I thought I'd do some research...not sure this proves or disproves anything but: ............USA Coach..........Canada Coach 2009.....Ron Rolston.........Pat Quinn 2008.....John Hynes..........Craig Hartsburgh 2007.....Ron Rolston.........Craig Hartsburgh 2006.....Walt Kyle............Brent Sutter 2005.....Scott Sandelin.....Brent Sutter 2004.....John Hynes.........Mario Durocher 2003.....Lou Vairo...........Marc Habscheid 2002.....Keith Allain.........Stan Butler 2001.....Keith Allain.........Stan Butler 2000.....Jeff Jackson........Claude Julien I can't account for the validity of your full list, but Mike Eaves coached the 2004 team, and they won a gold medal, not John Hynes. Hynes was an assistant though. Maybe we should bring back Eaves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I can't account for the validity of your full list, but Mike Eaves coached the 2004 team, and they won a gold medal, not John Hynes. Hynes was an assistant though. Maybe we should bring back Eaves? You are correct...Hynes was an assistant that year. I checked the other years and they look correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Here is the link I used. You have to do a bit from here, but can check out the past tournaments results, rosters, etc. IIHF Past Tournaments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Sweden wins 5-3 with 1 empty net goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Canada and Russia 2-2 after the 1st period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 3-2 Canada leads after 2 periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Russia scores to take a 5-4 lead with 2:15 to go in the game. Should be a great finish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Canada ties it with 5.4 seconds remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 No score in the 10 minute overtime. We're going to a shootout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 No score in the 10 minute overtime. We're going to a shootout! They're now showing replays of Toews's magic in the shootout against the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 3 shooters....Canada's first shooter scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Russia's 1st shooter hits the post. 1-0 Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Canada's 2nd shooter (Tavares) scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Russia's 2nd shooter's shot is saved. Canada wins. And yes, I feel like I've been talking to myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Monday for Bronze will be Slovakia/Russia...Gold will be Sweden/Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagard Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Gotta hand it to the Canadians. Number 3 for the Russians is going to have nightmares forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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