GeauxSioux Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Annual UND powwow scheduled for spring 2009 canceledThe No. 1 reason for the cancellation, according to the group, is the lack of community and institutional support, financial and otherwise, for the annual Time Out events, including the powwow.Are people starting to lose their desire to support the powwow due to the ongoing dispute over the nickname?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Are people starting to lose their desire to support the powwow due to the ongoing dispute over the nickname?? My thoughts on the key reason this is being cancelled: ...the lack of community and institutional support, financial and otherwise, for the annual Time Out events, including the powwow...(emphasis mine) I think they wanted your school to pony up some additional $$$. (BTW, I don't know every detail, but a $100k budget? WOW. Seems like a lot to me. I wonder how much of that is "speakers fees"? And this is a 30-member group?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I thought they were only for Native Americans. Sorry for the tired old excuse, but it is true! I honestly didn't think it was something I'd be invited to attend. I'm not Native American. I guess spiritual rituals such as that (or so I assume that is what it is) is not something I have a right to be a part of. It's like expecting Catholics to come to Bar Mitzvahs just because it is happening in their facility. Sorry if this seems insensitive. As for the financial reasons, I have my own conspiracy, but out of respect, I'm not going to voice it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoHawks! Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Putting a politcal anti-name spin on the fact they can't make enough money. Classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I thought they were only for Native Americans. Sorry for the tired old excuse, but it is true! I honestly didn't think it was something I'd be invited to attend. I'm not Native American. I guess spiritual rituals such as that (or so I assume that is what it is) is not something I have a right to be a part of. It's like expecting Catholics to come to Bar Mitzvahs just because it is happening in their facility. Sorry if this seems insensitive. JMHO, but I think anyone can call anything they want a "pow wow". Some people view it as a gathering much like a convention. Admission charge, prizes for the best dance, etc. http://chicago.about.com/od/artsculture/p/ChicagoPowWow.htm Others view it differently I guess. And when it suits the agenda to say "oh no, this is all sacred, you're making fun of our religion" people will DEFINITELY throw that out there in an attempt to start the guilt trip. Whatever. I learned long ago that when it comes to this "you're hijacking our culture without our permission, we OWN our culture and that includes blah, blah, blah" people will throw every bit of stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforeverbaby Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Putting a politcal anti-name spin on the fact they can't make enough money. Classic. They specifically stated that it is not because of the nickname! One of the reasons that they did not get as much support this year is because of their huge budget, not because of the nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Both UNDIA and ISA students said they understand the Fighting Sioux nickname might be seen as an underlying factor to the cancellation but emphasized a lack of community support as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Both UNDIA and ISA students said they understand the Fighting Sioux nickname might be seen as an underlying factor to the cancellation but emphasized a lack of community support as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Law. Of. Unintended. Consequences. Go to the tribal casinos and ask for a "bailout". Well played! Chief- You said it at the end of your response to my post. No, we cannot call anything a "pow wow" because if we did, the anti-namers would simply use it as yet another exploitation of the NA people and another thing they can attribute to the nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Law. Of. Unintended. Consequences. Go to the tribal casinos and ask for a "bailout". Heck everyone else is looking for a bail out these days. I wonder how long it is before the congress just decides to start writing people checks directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux7>5 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Heck everyone else is looking for a bail out these days. I wonder how long it is before the congress just decides to start writing people checks directly. I am good with that. I have never looked for a handout, but damn. If these big corps can get bailed out. What about me. I am losing my ass on a home sale of almost 50K, student loans up the nose. I think it is time they bail me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I am good with that. I have never looked for a handout, but damn. If these big corps can get bailed out. What about me. I am losing my ass on a home sale of almost 50K, student loans up the nose. I think it is time they bail me out. I heard a person on Fox news say the Government should just give every tax payer in the USA 100.00.00, apprently the 700 billion bail out translates to about 147,000.00 for each family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Chief- You said it at the end of your response to my post. No, we cannot call anything a "pow wow" because if we did, the anti-namers would simply use it as yet another exploitation of the NA people and another thing they can attribute to the nickname. I was unclear in what I wrote. I was trying to show that various groups of Native Americans use the term "Pow Wow" differently. The link to the convention-like gathering here in Chicago shows that some Native Americans use that term to denote simply a meeting, open to all people with no particular religious reference or role. Others seem to feel that whenever anyone uses the term "Pow Wow" it can ONLY mean a gathering of deep religious/spiritual significance which is only open to Native Americans. When I said "anyone can call anything a Pow Wow" I should have written "any NATIVE AMERICAN can call any of their gatherings a "Pow Wow". Some will insist that it can only be used one way of course; but then again, some will insist that everything they see in their lives is an insult based on their race/nationality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMeNow Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I heard a person on Fox news say the Government should just give every tax payer in the USA 100.00.00, apprently the 700 billion bail out translates to about 147,000.00 for each family. Fine with me but just wait a couple months so you can eventually blame the HUGE financial hole we're digging on the democrats (Just looking out for you bud!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Fine with me but just wait a couple months so you can eventually blame the HUGE financial hole we're digging on the democrats (Just looking out for you bud!) I do already since they have both houses for the last two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochsioux Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I heard a person on Fox news say the Government should just give every tax payer in the USA 100.00.00, apprently the 700 billion bail out translates to about 147,000.00 for each family. If someone made that statement then they can't do simple math...unless a family = 60-70 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 If someone made that statement then they can't do simple math...unless a family = 60-70 people. I am not good at math but it seems like that wouldn't be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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