Goon Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Actually the comment I was reacting to was one made earlier in this thread by one of our posters (don't even recall who) saying they'd rather have a goalie visually displaying his temper after giving up a goal. Like a QB in football, a goalie must remain calm and cool under pressure if he's going to be successful. As for the idea that you have to be sort of crazy just to play the position in the first place, that I agree with. I just don't think it's a good idea to wear your heart on your sleeve when you play such a high profile position. Let me guess you have never played hockey before? I would expect wether you like it or not Walski probably won't get too many more starts or playing time. If anything the other freshman Graeme Harrington would be the one that should get a start since he is going to be here long after Walski has moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I am not sure what temper tantrum DaveK is talking about because I have yet to hear of one. he does but its in practice as documented in the hit sitcom series "brad miller time" and who cares if he does. hes been solid in games so far and will only get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 You're right, he hasn't. I think there has been a misunderstanding, as I never said he did either. I was merely responding to the poster who said they'd like to see a goalie show that he's pissed off after giving up a goal. It was earlier in this thread, I don't even recall who said it. I wasn't saying Brad Eidsness did what that poster was referring to, I was just saying to that poster that it isn't a good thing for any goalie to react that way after giving up a goal. would be funny as hell to see though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 We need a goalie like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Just to prove that Eidsness isn't doing that bad. Here is John Muse's numbers so far this season: 6-3-1 3.27 gaa and save percentage of .882. Brad Eidsness has better statistics that Muse. 4-3-0 GAA 2.98 save percentage .895 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Just to prove that Eidsness isn't doing that bad. Here is John Muse's numbers so far this season: 6-3-1 3.27 gaa and save percentage of .882. Brad Eidsness has better statistics that Muse. 4-3-0 GAA 2.98 save percentage .895 just win , all that matters. numbers will get you individual awards but if you can parlay them together that means team banners!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 You're right, he hasn't. I think there has been a misunderstanding, as I never said he did either. I was merely responding to the poster who said they'd like to see a goalie show that he's pissed off after giving up a goal. It was earlier in this thread, I don't even recall who said it. I wasn't saying Brad Eidsness did what that poster was referring to, I was just saying to that poster that it isn't a good thing for any goalie to react that way after giving up a goal. I'm assuming you were responding to my original comment, since I believe that was the first time you replied in this thread. It's not too hard to look it up, so instead of saying "It was earlier in this thread, I don't even recall who said it.", try looking it up. If I'm incorrect on this, I apologize. And my original comment was: I agree 100%. All of the "good" goalies that I've played with were a little bit "off". In fact, one of the best goalies that I ever played in front of would spaz in practice when he got scored on. When I watched that interview and they described Eidsness's reactions and tantrums I got a big smile on my face because that told me all I need to know about the kid. I'd be more worried if the kid let in goals and didn't show any emotion. If you read the quote, I said that I've played with goalies that would show that emotion in practice. I don't believe I ever said anything about freaking out and going off the deep end during the game. Add to that the fact that the comment made about Eidsness was about him having a tantrum in practice (if it's even true, being that it was said during a "spoof" interview) I have to say I really love the way you can twist a comment and conversation. I do want an ultra-competitive goalie who may spaz or throw a tantrum from time to time in practice. I think you'll find many top tier goalies are like that. They know when they can act like that, and then can temper that emotion during a game. That's what makes them that good. You can't tell me that Ed Belfour, Jon Casey, JP Lamoureux and others were/are not like that - I know better. Dave, your lack of knowledge really shows the more you post on this forum. I know the "Have you ever played the sport?" comments can get old when people are talking about hockey knowledge, as some fans who didn't play really do know the sport, but in this case it really shows that you truly never played the sport. It appears you love the sport and you love UND hockey, which is great, but that doesn't mean that you "know" the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Until this year's Fighting Sioux team figures out how to score goals the dude between the pipes is going to have to be the Player of the Game night in and night out. Look at the stats: through 10 games we've scored 25 goals. That's 9th in the league; only Tech has scored fewer goals. Eidsness and Walski have only given up 3.5 per game, which isn't horrible, but when the guys in front of you are averaging a full goal less than that, the tender has to be "on" every minute of every game. I'm not so concerned about who's trying to keep the other guys' pucks out of our net; I'm worried about this teams inability to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Until this year's Fighting Sioux team figures out how to score goals the dude between the pipes is going to have to be the Player of the Game night in and night out. Look at the stats: through 10 games we've scored 25 goals. That's 9th in the league; only Tech has scored fewer goals. Eidsness and Walski have only given up 3.5 per game, which isn't horrible, but when the guys in front of you are averaging a full goal less than that, the tender has to be "on" every minute of every game. I'm not so concerned about who's trying to keep the other guys' pucks out of our net; I'm worried about this teams inability to score. very true on scoring goals. the skilled guys we have need to step up and the supposive offensive defensemen also need to step their games up and get it going!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I've seen Patrick Roy lose his cool after a goal. He skated out and pushed a ref around. Of course, he thought there was some sort of nullifying action such as a penalty or an illegal use of equipment that caused the goal, but he simply lost his mind and skated halfway around his end tracking down the official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxprideforever Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Somewhere above I weighed in on this subject and watching what has transpired does not change my perspective. I don't buy great goalies "are a little off" or that "spazing" on the ice demonstrates comittment and desire. Great goaltenders are not "off", they are perhaps some of the smartest players on the ice. They have to understand concept of angles, speed, deflections upon every shot or lob in their direction. When a goaltender focuses on what is behind them (in the net) with an emotional outburst or the like - they take their eye off of what is in front of them. That is where their attention needs to be. This game wouldn't be any fun if goals where never scored. A great goalie understands that can happen and focuses on what they can do to stop the next shot - not exhibit an emotional outburst or just as bad internalize the emotion. When a non-goaltender makes a mistake on the ice it can quickly be forgotten in an "oh well" quip. Unfortunately, when a goaltender makes a mistake, or is outplayed - they put it on the scoreboard for everyone to see and remember. Goaltenders need to be mentally strong to process the same and not focus on what many other may be. We play a game of seconds, I think we'd like 3 minutes of the CC game back when we appeared to focus on what was behind us rather than what was coming our way. I am confident that we learned from that experience. I don't know of any D1 level coach that would equate an emotional goalie with success, nor confuse emotion with committment, I have to believe that Hak determines who will play based not only on the last game but also in practice. The Herald recently quoted him as saying, " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I don't recall ever seeing Belfour, Casey, Lamoureux, etc... losing their composure and melting down during a game. They kept their cool under pressure, which is part of what made them great. Goalies can't afford to let their emotions get the best of them, I won't back down from that statement because I know I'm right. Not saying I'm always right, but I know I'm right about this. PS - Eidsness had a very good game last night. Surprise, surprise...you either misread, misunderstood, or just plain chose to twist my comments again. I never said anything about "losing their composure and melting down during a game". As a matter of fact, I think I tried to be very clear in saying that they need to temper that emotion during games - which is what makes them elite goaltenders. I tell you what...you go ahead and twist the subject any way that suits you. Just like a good politician...when the facts don't add up in your favor, go ahead and change them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I don't recall ever seeing Belfour, Casey, Lamoureux, etc... losing their composure and melting down during a game. They kept their cool under pressure, which is part of what made them great. Goalies can't afford to let their emotions get the best of them, I won't back down from that statement because I know I'm right. Not saying I'm always right, but I know I'm right about this. PS - Eidsness had a very good game last night. Belfour? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I don't recall ever seeing Belfour, Casey, Lamoureux, etc... losing their composure and melting down during a game. They kept their cool under pressure, which is part of what made them great. Goalies can't afford to let their emotions get the best of them, I won't back down from that statement because I know I'm right. Not saying I'm always right, but I know I'm right about this. PS - Eidsness had a very good game last night. Heard of Patrick Roy? Ron Hextall? Billy Smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 Heard of Patrick Roy? Ron Hextall? Billy Smith? Hey good point choyt3. Wow, now that you mention goalies and Ron Hextal here is a blast from the past. Here is a goalie sticking up for one of his team mates. Oh yeah and then there was Patrick Roy. Heck here is Don Luica's favorite GM getting worked. Goalies are competitors as well as the forwards and defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reformed Gphr Fan Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I won't pretend to "know" hockey like some of the posters here (even though I have been watching it forever). That being said, I think that Eidness has the potential to be a fantastic goalie. Although the win/loss stats may not show it, he had a great weekend. He needs some help on defense, and we clearly miss Big Joe, but he deserves to be the Sioux's #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Although the win/loss stats may not show it, he had a great weekend. He needs some help on defense, and we clearly miss Big Joe, but he deserves to be the Sioux's #1. The Sioux need big joe back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 The Sioux need big joe back. I'm sure I'm the only one who finds this amusing. All of Joe's time at UND, posters here have pined and ranted and carried on about how much Joe sucks and should be benched or Washington should sign him. Now we're begging for him to be back. I love irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reformed Gphr Fan Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 We need some help on D...whether it's Finley or for the rest of the roster to pick it up, whatever. Jones is solid, but he can't do it by himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'm sure I'm the only one who finds this amusing. All of Joe's time at UND, posters here have pined and ranted and carried on about how much Joe sucks and should be benched or Washington should sign him. Now we're begging for him to be back. I love irony. I would be willing to bet that none of them said it to his face either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'm sure I'm the only one who finds this amusing. All of Joe's time at UND, posters here have pined and ranted and carried on about how much Joe sucks and should be benched or Washington should sign him. Now we're begging for him to be back. I love irony. Yeah, you're right. You're the only Sioux fan poster that believed in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I'm sure I'm the only one who finds this amusing. All of Joe's time at UND, posters here have pined and ranted and carried on about how much Joe sucks and should be benched or Washington should sign him. Now we're begging for him to be back. I love irony. who cares if some posters didnt like his game at some point of his career. thats their opinion. i also know there werent that many that were down on joe at some point like other players as well and big deal if they were or still are. joe has been a great part of this team for 4 years now and the sioux really really need him back. leadership wise, locker room wise and game wise he is so important. its not just the defense at all. hak has some serious coaching to do because the combos hes using arent working for jack crap right now. this team has talent, no doubt but it will have to be a combo of hak and the coaches and the players to figure out how to create more offense overall and get some damn help from the blueline who has been god awful in the offense zone as the team. im glad its early as we have seen this movie play out before but the difference is there isnt a toews to come back from a wjt to light it up, no oshie but there is a damn good core that somehow needs to figure this out. eidsness has been fine in net but he isnt getting any help. long live the fighting sioux and get this right vs cornell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Yeah, you're right. You're the only Sioux fan poster that believed in him. I think there are a lot of us that support him. I sure as hell do anyways. Some don't like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 anyone else think it's time to shake up all the lines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 anyone else think it's time to shake up all the lines? yup, all of them without a doubt and i would like to see fienhage in over some at D as well. nothing to lose as its not like there is one line thats clicking so much that you cant break them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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