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Horrible idea. Not enough teams in the state for it to really make sense. Travel schedules would make it unaffordable for many schools.

He buys a lot of ND crude for his refineries and they are heavily involved in the ethanol business so that’s maybe why they are supporting the ag university

President Kennedy was on what’s on your mind this morning and answered all of the tough questions that have been in the news. I think he is doing a great job and I’m glad he is the president at UND!

Beating NDSU 11 years ago is something no one remembers in WY. I live in WY and joke all the time around the office that the real national championship was being played one weekend and no one knew what I was talking about when I mentioned NDSU. NDSU is about as nonrelevent in WY as any other FCS school like MT or MT state. This is about the biggest lie I have ever read from an NDSU troll on this forum. Even WY doesn’t have time for their bragging about JV stats.....

Sure is strange the midstream company they are partnering with doesn’t want to be publicly identified. This is very unusual because when big projects or partnerships are signed they want the media to report about it to look good in front of the investors. They must also have some doubts to whether this refinery will actually be built. I don’t think Calumet or MDU wanted to sink anymore money into the unprofitable Dickinson refinery. They had the opportunity to spend more money to make the refinery more efficient, but decided to just cut their loses and sell out.

This is also a big reason we would not see a plastics manufacturing boom in ND. Finding people with expertise to move to the heart of the Bakken is a huge hurdle for this kind of development. We have seen it in the oil field right now where people from down south have all kinds of local options to stay in Texas especially with the boom in the Permian.

Are you serious, it’s like you are trying to prove my point that you have no ideas what you are talking about? You are wrong to say that Calumet was the original owner as it was built by MDU and Calumet 50/50. are you seriously trying to compare Edmonton to Williston???? Edmonton is the oil and gas center of Alberta with huge existing industries. They have no worse geography for producing plastics and I would argue that it is an exponentially better place to build a plastics hub. Only some random one off company is trying to sell this idea of a ethane plant in ND. You actually have the big players in the game getting involved in the plants in Edmonton. Just because Marathon and Phillips 66 are present in ND is no reason for them to build a one off plant in ND. They are focused on buying crude in ND to ship it to their existing refineries across the country. They have no interest in building a plastics plant in ND. Oneok and Targa are midstream companies that mainly transport the oil and gas produced in ND. They don’t own the products they transport and simply are paid to move/process producers oil and gas. They would have zero stake in an ethane plastic plant other than providing the plant with ethane. It’s no different than a pipeline supplying oil to a refinery. i think you should leave this discussion to people who actually know what they are talking about. You are adding no value to this conversation. Maybe you should stick to ludicrous topics such as Montana and Idaho moving to the summit!

That refinery will be a flop. Just another investment for investors to lose their shorts on.

The Dickinson plant failed because it could not compete with the lower price producers once the increased demand for diesel ceased in ND. Without the oil boom there was no need for more fuel in ND with all the other suppliers. Tesoro bought the it and it could not make any profit so now they are retrofitting it to process vegetable oils into biofuels. The demand in CA for biofuels is skyrocketing due to new regulation requirements. Sounds like little modifications will be need to get the plant ready to process veg oils. Once again you don’t know what you are talking about just like these big sky to FBS threads. I’d quit while your ahead.

I agree too but it just needs to make economical sense or we will not see the investment. The urea fertilizer plant idea was genius except there is only room in the state for one or maybe 2 of them. New refineries in the state will be a bust just like the MDU funded one by Dickinson. It takes solid economics to make these opportunities a long lasting endeavor.

So you are telling me it’s cheaper to ship finished product via rail and ship to Asia than it is to ship the ethane via pipeline to existing petrochemical hubs in the USA and Canada. There is a reason this ethane cracker hasn’t been built in ND. While we all would like to see this plant built in ND this is far from reality and the state will not and should not spend billions to fund this project. new refineries do not make sense in ND because there is no incremental demand anymore for more fuels. A new fertilizer plant in ND make sense because of abundant and cheap natural gas with the final product being in need within the immediate region. There is not enough plastic demand close enough to ND to make this ethane plant feasible. If it was such a great idea it would already be funded and built.

How are any of my statements baloney? No one is denying that ethane crackers are being built across the country, but we are a ways away from building one in ND. If building an ethane cracker in ND was that great of an idea we would have a major petrochemical corporation proposing one instead of one random man. It’s easy to tie down the feed stocks it would take to feed the plant, but the biggest hurdle is securing the billions it will take to build this. I compare this ethane plant to the fertilizer plant in ND. They have everything lined up except for the cash to get it built. Anyone can propose anything but until you have the money nothing will ever get built. I work in the oil industry. You say your profession designs these plants. Do you mean you design them? It makes no sense to have this plant here when we have no other petrochemical plants around here.

How are you far more competent than anyone else on here? That’s a pretty arrogant statement. No one is arguing that ethane is not valuable and won’t be separated from the natural gas. Ethane will not boom the Williston region like you are predicting. It will be shipped out on pipelines such as the Alliance and Oneok pipelines.

Minot is run by a bunch of idiots. Hell the last mayor was a former strip club owner that ran unopposed and now has a mayor that thinks he is god gift to the spotlight and loves to hear himself talk. Minot has an engineering department that has royally messed up on big projects over and over and has allowed the city to be over built with tons of empty new subdivisions. The head engineer should have been canned long ago. Taxes increase like a sieve with no end in sight. It’s not a great time to be a resident of Minot right now.

I don’t know what kind attraction grand forks can build to really boost tourism other than UNDgetting bigger. Most people would never go to grand forks if it wasn’t for events being held at the Ralph or the Alerus Center.

Agree 100% , Minot will not become what it was during the last boom. Oil companies want to be closer to the action and watford city and Williston are now more positioned for the growth.

Do you even work in the oil industry? I find you comments way off base. Do you even know where a majority of the ethane produced in the state goes?

Williston will never be that big. Never. We may see a ethane plant in ND one day but nothing will make Williston grow to anymore than a Fargo size. lets keep these outrageous conspiracy theories in the UND to FBS thread.....

No way Dickinson, Williston, or Jamestown will allow themselves to be dropped to the second highest level. It doesn’t matter if those teams have never been competitive they won’t be happy.

Not until all junior gold towns decide to sponsor it at the high schools. It should stay one league otherwise there isn’t enough teams to make it make sense.

So when is Mayville going to be allowed to compete in the east region?

So are you like the only St. Cloud fan that attends these playoff games? Your fan base turn out is terrible and is really pathetic when you think about it because you are an hour from St Paul? The nice thing about not making the NCHC is dealing with douche huskie fans, but maybe that’s why you own fans don’t show up either......

Anyone have any bull dog smack talk meme that I can send some colleagues?

Many of the Bison fans want answers and want to know how this was allowed to happen. Funny the bison fans on this board could care less this even happened or has even been brought to life. i feel bad for the player, men need to stand up and admit when they are wrong

I bet they all play at least 4 games