Sioux>Bison

I think that’s Bo’s grandpa who is a dentist in New Rockford. It would be nice to draw some fans from New Rockford to cheer on the hometown stud wearing green and white!

Real order should be: Fargo>Bismarck>Grand Forks>Minot>Jamestown>Dickinson> Williston> All other cities in ND small towns are ok for people who stay inside all day....

Big projects like this are bought and sold all the time. If it was economical I wonder why someone didn’t step in to finish the project? They could have gotten a fire sale on all the upfront work. CF could have also stepped in to the project to build the plant instead of just a contract supplying the CHS distribution plants.

Reality vs Insanity...... if he would quit posting outrageous hypothesis that he is trying to sell as fact I wouldn’t feel compelled to correct him. He does the same thing in the conference discussions too. No fact just speculation.

You obviously can’t read. The reason they are trying to develop this process is to find a SUSTAINABLE method to produce ammonia and reduce the carbon footprint ammonia production has on the world. Burning natural gas to create electricity would do the exact opposite. Natural gas fired generation is also not the cheapest way to produce electricity.

Yes that is a up and coming technology that would use NO NATURAL GAS. How would that help reduceflaring in ND???? It has no relevance in this thread. Are you saying we should not build fertilizer plants in ND that would use natural gas? You are once again proving my point that you know nothing.....

There is no plastic or petrochemical plant proposed yet and even if proposed it still is a long way from actually getting built. Building the midstream infrastructure is the easy and least risky investment when you have long term contracts backing its construction and operation. This is why billionaires are lined up to finance this piece. They are not putting their dollars up to build the plant. Until there is an end user for the midstream assets you will not see anything built. The biggest factor is getting a petrochemical plant actually built. The rest is simple.

Good news is the urea production diversified their production. Will it be enough to save Basin Electric,who knows? Unfortunately it does not make a lot of sense to make synthetic natural gas from coal at these low prices. It’s going to be rough for any company that works with coal as we go towards our green energy future. Hopefully they can refocus on carbon capture or maybe producing more ammonia from coal. Syngas may be uneconomical for this lifetime.

https://www.dakotagas.com/news-center/publications/basin-today/urea-production-facility-benefiting-farmers-north-dakota-and new urea plant is working out well for Dakota Gas, still unclear why CHS and the Great Plains Nitrogen plants cant make the economics work

https://www.minotdailynews.com/news/local-news/2019/01/fertilizer-prices-projected-to-be-up-this-spring/ Dakota Gas produces half of the fertilizer (ammonia, urea, etc) consumed in the state. So much for being a pittance......

There isn’t a cheaper way to produce ammonia. They don’t burn the natural gas to get nitrous oxides. The natural gas and water is steam reformed with air to make Nitrogen, hydrogen and carbon dioxide gases. This is the process the GLOBE uses to make ammonia. Urea production is just a further step using the ammonia. A Grand Forks plant will have to build out their own distribution elevators in order to market urea. The agreement with CHS and CF industries will not purchase urea from a competitors plant. Plus any increase in local urea production will have to push out the ammonia fertilizer that is currently being used. If building another fertilizer plant in the state was a good investment it already would have been done. There is a reason the Grand Forks or CHS plants have not been built. you might as well stay away from this thread again for another couple of weeks because you are way off base on how this industry works. All you are doing is speculating on something you know nothing about.

KEM got her way, it’s time to put up or shut up!

I don’t measure my success against others, but I do respect others by the way they act. They are no more innocent than the ones in the lawsuit. They are still complaining they don’t get paid enough to play women’s hockey. I’m sorry but it’s not that big of a deal. Get a real job like the rest of us. I don’t need to hear the privileged whining. All of those athletes were whinny privileged millennials who need to learn in the “real world” things are not fair and you need to move on maturely. i never mentioned the twins but since you brought it up this is how many of us feel.

The University did it the right way. The team should have known their future was up in the air. It sucks and it was tough for them but it’s time these ladies grew up. This stuff happens in the real world all the time. i have no respect for whinny millennials that think they are more important than everyone else....

That’s the big question I have. Will it be economical to rail the plastic pellets to the coasts or possibly a domestic consumer in the USA? Will the plant be big enough to take advantage of the world scale efficiencies? They will need to compete with the big plants in the gulf and around the world. Will cheap ethane be enough to make it over the economic hurdle? Time will tell.

I think ND is maxed out on fertilizer plants after Basin Electric built their urea plant in Beulah. There is only so much available demand in the region to warrant building these plants locally. CHS canceled their plant in Spiritwood because it was not going to be economical without a affordable source of water. They decided to invest in CF industries instead to supply their dry fertilizer distribution plants. Northern Plains Nitrogen in grand forks also seems dead in the water since they haven’t been able to secure enough funding. Urea plants were a great idea for ND since we have cheap gas available locally and the product produced would be consumed locally. Unfortunately there is only so much demand locally for urea. The logistics like this are critical to plant profitability.

It’s worth noting that it will only be moving 180,000bbl per day from the Bakken so it still isn’t enough to replace all of the oil volumes moving out on rail. There are some projections that the state will have a tough time going over 2 million bbl per day especially if the producers are going to try to make flaring targets. Producers are not flaring because of ethane which is a falsehood Bakken Midstream is pushing.

For those exact reasons Williston will never boom to the size of Fargo. To get to 3 million it won’t take double the work force of what we have now at 1.4 million. That top projection may never be achieved at the slow drilling pace we are at now.

I never said we should separate all the ethane and ship it out as y grade on Oneok pipelines. You ademately said that ZERO ethane was being shipped out on Oneok pipelines which is completely false. Pipeline are the only solution needed to take care of the ethane abundance in ND. It can be rejected or shipped out as a dense gas on Alliance which are both economical ways to transport ethane out of the state. Yes we could build a plastics plant in ND to utilize the ethane, but it is not necessary critical to the oil and gas industry to operate.

Since you are not an expert maybe you should quit spreading fake news on this site. You have no facts and only speculation. The Oneok Bakken NGL pipeline moves 30,000 bbl of ethane per day out of the total capacity of 140,000bbl/day. This is without cryogenic processing which is needed to take out ALL of the ethane. The rest of the ethane is rejected into natural gas. The new Oneok pipeline will add 240,000bbl/day of NGL capacity so that will be another big outlet for ethane. I think Bakken Midstream and Oneok will be in competition to where the NGL is shipped from/in ND. If you don’t believe me call up the Oneok Public relations and you can hear it first hand for yourself!

You are taking over a half century ago, big difference in the booms today. The Permian play will always be much bigger than the Bakken. Williston will never grow to the size of Midland or Odessa. Never going to happen...... You lose more credibility every time you open your mouth.

Both Odessa and Midland TX already had populations at or above 100k in 2010 when the latest boom began. You are losing it if you think Williston will ever grow to 100k population if even 50k

You are trying to tell us that Williston metro area includes Watford City, Tioga, Stanley, etc. you obviously are stretching what facts really are. Nothing but fake news coming from you....

Exactly so who’s going to be building the plastic plant. If you know how midstream work you would know they are not going to build the midstream assets until someone contracts for the shipping and processing of the ethane. There are a ton of companies that would build the assets if there was a trustworthy source paying for the buildout.

If they want in why haven’t they announced building a petrochemical plant? Until someone steps up to build a plant none of this infrastructure will be built by Badlands midstream. I’m also confused why a company like Oneok wouldn’t be the one proposing to build the midstream infrastructure because why would they let a competitor come in and build this before they do?