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I don’t measure my success against others, but I do respect others by the way they act. They are no more innocent than the ones in the lawsuit. They are still complaining they don’t get paid enough to play women’s hockey. I’m sorry but it’s not that big of a deal. Get a real job like the rest of us. I don’t need to hear the privileged whining. All of those athletes were whinny privileged millennials who need to learn in the “real world” things are not fair and you need to move on maturely. i never mentioned the twins but since you brought it up this is how many of us feel.

The University did it the right way. The team should have known their future was up in the air. It sucks and it was tough for them but it’s time these ladies grew up. This stuff happens in the real world all the time. i have no respect for whinny millennials that think they are more important than everyone else....

That’s the big question I have. Will it be economical to rail the plastic pellets to the coasts or possibly a domestic consumer in the USA? Will the plant be big enough to take advantage of the world scale efficiencies? They will need to compete with the big plants in the gulf and around the world. Will cheap ethane be enough to make it over the economic hurdle? Time will tell.

I think ND is maxed out on fertilizer plants after Basin Electric built their urea plant in Beulah. There is only so much available demand in the region to warrant building these plants locally. CHS canceled their plant in Spiritwood because it was not going to be economical without a affordable source of water. They decided to invest in CF industries instead to supply their dry fertilizer distribution plants. Northern Plains Nitrogen in grand forks also seems dead in the water since they haven’t been able to secure enough funding. Urea plants were a great idea for ND since we have cheap gas available locally and the product produced would be consumed locally. Unfortunately there is only so much demand locally for urea. The logistics like this are critical to plant profitability.

It’s worth noting that it will only be moving 180,000bbl per day from the Bakken so it still isn’t enough to replace all of the oil volumes moving out on rail. There are some projections that the state will have a tough time going over 2 million bbl per day especially if the producers are going to try to make flaring targets. Producers are not flaring because of ethane which is a falsehood Bakken Midstream is pushing.

For those exact reasons Williston will never boom to the size of Fargo. To get to 3 million it won’t take double the work force of what we have now at 1.4 million. That top projection may never be achieved at the slow drilling pace we are at now.

I never said we should separate all the ethane and ship it out as y grade on Oneok pipelines. You ademately said that ZERO ethane was being shipped out on Oneok pipelines which is completely false. Pipeline are the only solution needed to take care of the ethane abundance in ND. It can be rejected or shipped out as a dense gas on Alliance which are both economical ways to transport ethane out of the state. Yes we could build a plastics plant in ND to utilize the ethane, but it is not necessary critical to the oil and gas industry to operate.

Since you are not an expert maybe you should quit spreading fake news on this site. You have no facts and only speculation. The Oneok Bakken NGL pipeline moves 30,000 bbl of ethane per day out of the total capacity of 140,000bbl/day. This is without cryogenic processing which is needed to take out ALL of the ethane. The rest of the ethane is rejected into natural gas. The new Oneok pipeline will add 240,000bbl/day of NGL capacity so that will be another big outlet for ethane. I think Bakken Midstream and Oneok will be in competition to where the NGL is shipped from/in ND. If you don’t believe me call up the Oneok Public relations and you can hear it first hand for yourself!

You are taking over a half century ago, big difference in the booms today. The Permian play will always be much bigger than the Bakken. Williston will never grow to the size of Midland or Odessa. Never going to happen...... You lose more credibility every time you open your mouth.

Both Odessa and Midland TX already had populations at or above 100k in 2010 when the latest boom began. You are losing it if you think Williston will ever grow to 100k population if even 50k

You are trying to tell us that Williston metro area includes Watford City, Tioga, Stanley, etc. you obviously are stretching what facts really are. Nothing but fake news coming from you....

Exactly so who’s going to be building the plastic plant. If you know how midstream work you would know they are not going to build the midstream assets until someone contracts for the shipping and processing of the ethane. There are a ton of companies that would build the assets if there was a trustworthy source paying for the buildout.

If they want in why haven’t they announced building a petrochemical plant? Until someone steps up to build a plant none of this infrastructure will be built by Badlands midstream. I’m also confused why a company like Oneok wouldn’t be the one proposing to build the midstream infrastructure because why would they let a competitor come in and build this before they do?

You are forgetting the ham and cheese balls with a side of speedway sauce! Many people have tried to copy the sauce but no one does it like Speedway! if you want an amazing burger a guy needs to try the speedway burger! Makes me hungry thinking about it.... The Speedway’s in ND go way back with this family owned business started by their dad. Sadly only one is still remaining and I wish Minot still had one.

“Bakken Midstream is not a petrochemical company and is not proposing a plastics plant, Hopkins said.” so who is going to build the plastics plant? Yes building the infrastructure is the first step, but I would assume they have a contract set up first to supply someone with the raw materials needed for the plastics plant?

I’m just telling you why this was put in the century code and that there is precedent already set. A guy can worry about a tiny chance this makes it to trial but it’s simply not worth worrying about.

It’s cut and dry in the century code that the landowner is not liable. Would be dismissed before he would even need a lawyer.

In ND he is not liable for injuries to trespassers whether the land is posted or not. It states that in the century code.

They can play in the All Seasons as it holds about 5k (if they can work out an agreement with the management). Finding the money to fund it is the question .

They ship y-grade NGLs which contains considerable amounts of ethane in the mixed NGL stream. Yes they don’t separate ethane into a pure stream, but their pipelines are shipping ethane to KS and the gulf coast everyday as a y-grade product. Check out their tarriff if you don’t believe me. Im sorry you can’t handle being wrong.

You guys are talking about a small portion of the jobs that will be needed for a plant. Most of these are upper level jobs or management (typically engineers and not business majors...) The majority of the jobs will be the operators that need to be highly knowledgeable and trained. Trying to recruit those people to ND will be difficult.

I’m pretty sure the new Oneok pipeline will be transporting ethane with the rest of the NGLs so obviously new pipelines will be part of the solution to get ethane out of the state. Prices for ethane are also spiking at the hub in Texas so producers will want to ship their NGLs there to get the best price. Ethane isn’t trapped in ND, there just isn’t a market for it in the region so it is shipped out. Alliance pipeline also transports a considerable amount of ethane. Pipelines could be and currently are the sole solution to getting ethane out of the state. Pipelines are also the best way to transport goods as dealing with solid plastic pellets on train cars is so inefficient. These big plastic plants are located on the coast so that they can be shipped overseas on ships.

Obviously it’s used for a lot of consumer products as I’m not questioning that, but the question is how much will be turned into products here? If not consumed locally it will have to be shipped out to markets that use it and the cost of the rail transportation to the coasts is not cheap. It would be a different story if we started to make products right here in ND

The officiating needs some transparency with some very questionable call over that last few years. The officials should take boos for making bad calls. I don’t know why we need to bow down to these bad officials.

https://www.willistonherald.com/news/oil_and_energy/north-dakota-s-first-suitor-for-plastics-plant-files-for/article_e30e8810-7687-11e9-bcf9-6fcbb018e54a.html this is why I am skeptical about no name companies proposing plastics plants in ND. Sounds like the current company proposing on has their ducks in a row better, but there are still some big hurdles to come. They might start with building an ethylene plant but what are they going to do with the ethylene in ND? Ship it out on rail costing $$$$$? I think the best way to deal with this ethane and other NGLs is to ship them out on NGL pipelines. Other big hurdles is where are they going to find a trained workforce? They have cheap ethane and natural gas as inputs, but where/ how are the products going to go to market. Plastics plants are dirty operations so I hope the state doesn’t get us into an ecological disaster.