Ya, he was nothing special.(His freshman year). He actually got pretty darn good and I know him and Schmitty met a few times. To your point, Bubba and Schmitty and their version of the 3-4 is predicated on stopping the run. I know it goes back to Dale Lennon, the 3-4, predicated on stopping the triple option NDSU was running at the time. Bubba has years of experience and design behind him and Scmitty played against triple option. I think Schmitty played against it or did NDSU drop the option after Feeny?