zonadub
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Best:
Roughriders
Good:
Cavalry (also ok with Calvary
)Could live with:
Explorers (though not conducive to cheers)
Sundogs (has grown on me in light of available choices. sorry Goon)
Not a fan:
Fighting Hawks
Green Hawks
North Stars
Kill me now:
Blaze
Fighting Green(ies)
Force
Nodaks
North Dakota
Pride
Spirit
Thunderhawks
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Not sure Jones could handle the 93 Bulls and keep them from just 'ballin.No, it's both.
If you give Phil Jackson UND's squad and you give Brian Jones the '93 Chicago Bulls, the Bulls win 100 out of 100 times.
On the other hand, you are not talking about the same level. (Pros vs college, to make things a little more clear)
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Boy, this thread has died... What is going on with the committee? Are they on summer break now?
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So it really boils down to being able to coach the players you have. If Rocky Hager, or in the case of UND Chris Mussman, have a problem winning because their third choice players are lining up on the other side of the field and beating those coaches, it is not a scholarship issue.
Another way to look at it, using the example of Duke having 5 bb scholarships- let's say Brian Jones signed Coach K's top 5 recruits, and Duke went out on the court with their send five, so to speak. Do you think Jones' team, even with Duke's top 5 recruiting targets, would be able to beat Krzyewski's team?
It's not only a recruiting/scholarship issue, it's being able to get the production out of the players you put on the field.
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If they are all NDSU employees, then the next two questions should be: are any of them enrolled members of either the Spirit Lake or Standing Rock tribe? Or are they just another block of enlightened bleeding heart PC liberals?
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Remember, all it took was one yes vote from anyone on the committee to move a name to the next round. Out of the 63 names still on the list, a guess would be that not more than 7 - 10 names on that list make the next round.
Hopefully it takes more than one no vote to stop a name. I'm thinking about you, McDonald.
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I could not disagree moreRidas wallows in lameness
Now Spirit, Force, Blizzard, etc on the other hand...
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... voted once for any of these said nickname options.
That is the crux of the situation - all it took is one vote to move those names to the next stage, and yet, others were eliminated immediately and didn't even have an opportunity to receive any votes.
This whole thing is a poorly designed process but the hope remains that the end result will not be something lame like Fighting Greens moves forward from here. (sounds like a salad making stomach noises to me)
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Not caring until its too late is far cry from trying to get rid of the name! Even though that thought is wrong also! Read the truth for yourself...http://www.amazon.com/Arent-We-Sioux-Enough-Tradition/dp/0615990681
I have one and you can borrow it if you would like?
Have not read the book and don't know any more than the synopsis on Amazon, but always suspected that the Cherokee were jealous and the ones actually behind the uproar over the Fighting Sioux name. Lived in Bismarck for a while and the Lakota I knew there did not have a problem with the nickname.
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What's right from my point of view is to select the best available nickname since Fighting Sioux has been retired.That is why it is important to get this right
No nickname, Nodaks or North Dakota is not the right choice, in my humble opinion.
Roughriders is the best choice, again in my humble opinion. And the argument that the Roughriders regiment was not within the borders of North Dakota does not matter to me.
Nokotas, Wolves or Cavalry would also be good choices. Again, just my opinion.
Not that my opinion matters to Kelly or the committee.
I understand your opinion is different.
The one thing we can (all?) agree on ... no nickname will be as good as the Fighting Sioux name, but that just goes without saying.
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North Dakota Nokotas.
Do people who support that name actually think it sounds good?
Yes, I also have no problem with North Dakota Wild Nokotas or even North Dakota Charging Nokotas.
Would you prefer North Dakota Nodaks?
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So, how many Spartans were from Michigan? How many Trojans from Southern California?...
The Roughriders were never here. They were from the southwestern states. They were from hot climate regions by design, as those men were used to the weather conditions they would encounter in Cuba. As a whole, they were together for just a few months from the beginning of training to the end of their fighting in Cuba.
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For that matter, I thought the 'Rebs' were from the Confederacy, not Las Vegas, Nevada.
How many Seminoles are there in Fl... oops,
mythe NCAA's bad.
It does go with the state's marketing program, and is like the Tennessee Volunteers, the Oklahoma Sooners, the Kansas Jayhawks... Need I go on?
1. Roughriders
2. (Charging) Nokotas
3. (Grey) Wolves
4. Cavalry
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We are and so for the sake of having a nickname we should be prepared and comfortable with the notion of the UND
BigKelly Green as a real possibility.Can't wait!
fyp... As in Robert Kelly. ?
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It might be a bit hypocritical to continue to make fun of NDSU's agricultural roots if you call yourselves the Sodbusters.
Maybe you'd prefer Bison Ball Busters?
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If you'll consider ermines, I'm in, but it's not an exciting story....
OK, cute little weasel, but why, if UND goes with a rodent, not just go back to Flickertails?
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Nice logo, but doesn't look like an Ermine to me.
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Same can be said for Roughriders.... Definitely no recognizable D-I schools. ...
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Probably not. Definitely no recognizable D-I schools.Other than UND, do any of these places have athletic teams? Honest question.
Maybe chess teams or debate teams. ?
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For those who:
A) Say having no nickname will be unique
B) Say a nickname is required
Here is a list from smargon.net/nicknames
No Nickname ---
The Art Institute of Portland (Portland, Oregon)
Albany Law School (Albany, New York)
Albany Medical College (Albany, New York)
Allen College (Waterloo, Iowa)
American Military University (Charles Town, West Virginia)
American Public University (Charles Town, West Virginia)
Amridge University (Montgomery, Alabama) (former name: Southern Christian University)
Antioch University Seattle (Seattle, Washington)
Antioch New England Graduate School (Keene, New Hampshire)
Art Academy of Cincinnati (Cincinnati, Ohio)
The Art Institute of Ohio-Cincinnati (Cincinnati, Ohio)
Bennington College (Bennington, Vermont)
Bastyr University (Seattle, Washington)
Bob Jones University (Greenville, South Carolina)
California Coast University (Santa Ana, California)
California Institute of the Arts (Valencia, California)
Carlos Albizu University (Miami, Florida)
Chancellor University (Cleveland, Ohio) (former name: Myers University) (former nickname: Mustangs)
Chicago-Kent College of Law (Chicago, Illinois)
Christian Leadership University (Cheektowaga, New York)
Claremont Graduate School (Claremont, California)
Cleveland Institute of Art (Cleveland, Ohio)
Columbus College of Art and Design (Columbus, Ohio)
DeVry Institute Of Technology (Columbus, Ohio)
DeVry Institute Of Technology (Dallas, Texas)
DeVry Institute Of Technology (Addison, Illinois)
State University of New York-Empire State College (Saratoga Springs, New York)
Eugene Lang College, New School for Social Research (New York, New York)
Everglades College (Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
Governors State University (University Park, Illinois)
Hollins University (Roanoke, Virginia) (former name: Hollins College)
Jewish Theological Seminary of America (New York, New York)
John Marshall Law School (Chicago, Illinois)
Jones College (Jacksonville, Florida)
Marlboro College (Marlboro, Vermont)
Medical College of Georgia (Augusta, Georgia)
Medical College of Wisconsin (Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
Memphis College of Art (Memphis, Tennessee)
Mercy College of Northwest Ohio (Toledo, Ohio)
Metropolitan State University (Twin Cities, Minnesota)
Milwaukee Institute of Art and Design (Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
Minneapolis College of Art and Design (Minneapolis, Minnesota)
Monterey Institute of International Studies (Monterey, California)
Moore College of Art and Design (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
New College of Florida (Sarasota, Florida)
New Saint Andrews College (Moscow, Idaho)
New School for Social Research (New York, New York)
Oregon Graduate Institute of Science & Technology (Portland, Oregon)
Oregon Health Sciences University (Portland, Oregon)
Pennsylvania College of Technology-Herman T. Schneebeli Earth Science Center (Montgomery, Pennsylvania)
Pennsylvania College of Technology-Kathryn Wentzel Lumley Aviation Center (Montoursville, Pennsylvania)
Regent University (Virginia Beach, Virginia)
Ringling College of Art and Design (Sarasota, Florida)
Rockefeller University (New York, New York)
Sage College of Albany (Albany, New York)
Sage Graduate School (Albany, New York)
South Texas College of Law (Houston, Texas)
State University of New York-Health Science Center at Syracuse (Syracuse, New York)
University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (Arkansas)
University of Hawaii-West Oahu (Pearl City, Hawaii)
University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (New Jersey)
University of Mississippi Medical Center (Jackson, Mississippi)
University of North Dakota (Grand Forks, North Dakota) (former name: Sioux)
University of Sarasota (Sarasota, Florida)
Vaughn College of Aeronautics and Technology (Flushing, New York)
William Mitchell College of Law (Saint Paul, Minnesota)
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No they weren't. The only reality is that the state of North Dakota, which UND is a part of, created a law refusing to allow any transition towards a new nickname for three years!
I understand that this may just be your "take" but its clearly based upon unsupported assumptions and falsehoods. But in all of your other posts, your position misinforms all of the posters on this message board. Stop spreading this myth.
and that is your "take" on the situation. Why are you so adamant that UND remains nameless?
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and I ask the question: is remaining nameless what the student athletes want or what a bunch of old farts want?
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Sorry to hear, man. That sucks for lack of better word.
"Without getting too specific". This is an issue because it's difficult to know exactly what you're talking about, and as I'll explain, it sounds like your situation is markedly different from the UND v. NCAA matter.
"They filed for arbitration". Sounds like you signed an arbitration clause in your employment contract. Don't sign these unless you're signing on behalf of a large, wealthy business entity. Arbitration is a distinct, separate forum from the civil justice system and offers very limited rights to employees/individuals. Simply put, different rules apply.
"Without a request for payment or other notification, they went to court for a judgment." It sounds like there was an arbitration award, and you already owed money at this point and didn't pay. Therefore, your employer went to court and obtained a judgment based upon the arbitration award. Your employer needs the actual judgment to garnish your paycheck and levy your bank accounts. It also sounds like your employer was seeking monetary damages and a legal remedy. The issue between UND and NCAA is more equitable in nature. In particular, NCAA would not seek the recovery of legal, monetary damages from UND for using the "Fighting Sioux" nickname.
It also sounds like you may have neglected to respond and had a default judgment entered against you. Did you respond when your employer filed in court or did you retain a lawyer? You waive your defenses if you don't assert them!
So, you are correct in the sense that litigants can obtain unusual monetary judgments when they are based upon arbitration awards and the other party fails to respond or has a bad attorney. UND's matter does not stem from an arbitration proceeding, the NCAA wouldn't seek monetary damages, the state of North Dakota won't fail to respond, and it's attorney is . . . well, yeah, I guess is not that great either.
Hope this makes sense.
"They filed for arbitration" ... The NCAA threatened to put UND on the 'naughty list'
"Without request for payment" ... Without pursuing sanctions against UND while the legislated cooling off period is underway
"Neglected to respond" ... UND has not yet adopted a new nickname
A bad attorney or not, the point is that you claim the NCAA cannot sanction UND because it has not yet sanctioned UND. My point is that there is not a time limit on when they decide to impose their side of the agreement that was signed by North Dakota's Attorney General, even though it was signed years ago. I am not saying the NCAA will definitely put UND on the sanction list, but that the NCAA has reserved the option to do it if they feel UND has not complied with the agreement that has already been signed (such as my arbitration clause). The NCAA may be allowing the state law to run its course rather than challenge the legislative action while they have bigger problems on their plate. It's anyone's guess if they will or won't exercise punitive measures if the status quo continues indefinitely.
You may be an attorney and more familiar with this type of agreement and the position of the NCAA but I will stay at a Holiday Inn Express next week, so I'll know more soon. ?
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I would agree with you if by "challenging the NCAA" you mean re-adopting the Fighting Sioux nickname.
The NCAA has EVERYTHING to gain by imposing sanctions. Again, parties to a contract cannot sit on their rights and wait several years before deciding to enforce a contract.
Without getting too specific, a former employer let an issue remain unenforced for 3 years, then filed for an arbitration. 2 years after the arbitration hearing, without a request for payment or any other notification, they went to court for a judgement (by this time, 5 years have expired). The judgement will remain on my record for 5 more years, even though it is now closed. It appears that a party can indeed sit on their rights, and wait several years to seek enforcement of a ruling (contract).
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As much as I detest Longie's position, this is exactly why UND had to drop the Sioux nickname. The whiners will never stop as long as UND athletic teams are referred to, even in a non-official way, as the Sioux. (and probably will continue after a new nickname is chosen)
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Funny you should mention Trailblazers. It was one of the second pair of names I submitted (when the nominations opened).