zonadub
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Heart says UND wins a defensive battle
UND 16
NDSU 14
head says UND covers the spread.
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UND home and home against UNI??
I would love to see UNI come to the Alerus. I still remember the 2006 35-31 upset of UNI at their dome.
SiouxFootballInsider
@SiouxFootball 42m42 minutes agoHearing a home & home with a top tier
#FCS program is potentially in the works for@UNDfootball.#ThinkOffenseI would guess Sam Houston. their offense against our defense. this would be fun to watch.
maybe something came together with UNI in the last 6 weeks?
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Suck it Bohl. 0-2 versus UND
so now we know the real reason Taylor and Bohl would not schedule UND after both teams moved to D-I.
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Actually this is Faison's responsibility to go to the alumni with this ... Faison spoke. Do you he think this might have been a topic that he should have addressed to an audience of football alumni, many of whom are generious donors to the program? Radio silence. He isn't even going to try.
Epic Fail!
In many respects, Faison's tenure as AD has been worse than Kelly's presidency. The housecleaning must continue, with Faison, Jones and Idalski on the hot seat(s),
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Jim Dahl thought me technically you're an alumni (some definitions) the first day you set foot on campus.
Thanks. Should have looked the word up before I posted.
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non-graduating former athletes must be donors or season ticket holders since they are technically not alums... thought they might get an exemption
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He'll probably just name UND the "Robert Kelley's" as his last act in office.
HEY! I think you stumbled onto something.
UND Kelly. Just like the Stanford Cardinal.
We can then pick anything we want for a mascot and logo. Give me the night to think about this.
Nice Work Benny!
it may be 4 1/2 months later, but Benny, petey and I finally found something to agree on (though Benny will contend that I don't fully comprehend the meaning and depth of his position because he used "Robert" and I used "Green"
)So you're sayin' that Northern Lights is too good a name for Kelly & co to come up with. So maybe he will want it to be the UND Kelly Green.
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I like it.
thank you. respectful disagreement can be constructive.
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Going back and creating a process to choose a new nickname? Yes without a doubt that is what is best for UND. The first try failed. Learn from it and try again.
There is no 'good' process to pick a new nickname to replace one that was a beloved as the Sioux name was.
What would you suggest? Another committee? This one was trying to do the best job they could for the University of North Dakota. Yes, the results are not full of names that have people saying "how can we be expected to pick one name from a list of such awesome names". I don't know if you have ever given time to a government committee, but they are not the place to go for inspired innovation.
A student vote? Like Cal State Santa Cruz? Banana Slugs?
We were all witness to the excellent suggestions of the 'marketing consultant'. What a great inspiration his input to the process was!
Maybe you would rather a committee of one pick the name? Well, that would fall on the President, and I am pretty confident that you, and most everyone else, would not want Kelly to make that selection on his own.
Maybe you would want that committee of one to be petey23. Sure, that would work. Then you would be happy. On the other hand, I doubt even you could come up with a nickname that would have universal appeal, however. This is why the consultant came up with a 'safe' <school color> <name a bird> recommendation. At least UNDErmines came up with something imaginative. Uninspiring, but imaginative.
There is no way to pick a perfect name. Can you imagine the University of Minnesota going through something like this and picking a name like ... Gophers?! How about the University of Oklahoma coming up with a name like Sooners? Yet those schools would probably fight over having their names taken stolen from them now, too.
There has been 10 years of this fiasco and more than 3 years of moratorium since North Dakota (the University and the state) succumbed to the NCAA. And that is not enough time? Seriously?
Yes, I may be more accepting of this process than some because I felt that Roughriders was a good choice from the get-go, but there have also been several names that have been removed from consideration that I felt would have been better than any of the ones still under consideration, including Roughriders. For example, I really liked ericpnelson's suggestion of Wolves, especially after the video clip he posted of the pack of wolves taking down the bison.
Don't really like seeing the inclusion of any weather phenomenon as a choice, but this is the 21st Century, and that's the world we now live in. North Stars is OK, but don't think a North Dakota flagship university should name itself after a neighboring state. And would rather have seen Owls or even Pheasants as the bird instead of Hawks (on the other side of it, Lowell Schweigert championed the Hawks theme and his loyalty and devotion to UND are without question), but the committee (and Pres Kelly) are in a no-win situation.How do you come up with a replacement for the Sioux name that will be accepted? I think the people on the committee did what they felt was best for the university and provided a list of five names they felt were appropriate. They eliminated 'North Dakota', but left the totally lame and unimaginative shortened version Nodaks, which makes me shudder. I would rather see Sundogs over Nodaks, but at least they should be given credit for accepting a volunteer position which could not possibly have a widely acclaimed and universally supported outcome.
You have said that you 'can live with' Roughriders (my paraphrase). While not happy about most of the choices, the one I, personally, would not like to see chosen is not having a nickname at all. If it is such a good idea, why wouldn't a well-known and respected school like Stanford (which could stand on its own without a nickname if any school could) have already gone that direction? If no nickname is included in a popularity poll, I hope it is defeated because it, for lack of better wording, just doesn't feel right.
Waiting another 3, 5 or 10 years to do it all over again in the hope that this time they 'get it right' doesn't make sense, because I don't think that the next time will produce a significantly different or better result. It's UND's Kobayashi Maru.
My hope is that you will accept that my position on this has nothing to do with fear-mongering and everything to do with accepting that the committee was put into an impossible situation and tried to do the best job they could for the University of North Dakota, it's students, alumni and fans. They should be thanked for their service and their efforts, not vilified because the list of names doesn't please everybody (we could, after all, be bestowed with a name like Banana Slugs). No list could, now or in another 3, 5 or 10 years.
Sorry, I was only going to a write a couple short paragraphs, but one thought led to the next and turned into a rant.
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... And quit including GF Central in the conversation.....it has no relevance.
then the argument that UND cannot be the Roughriders because Red River has that name also has no relevance.
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Did the NCAA allow post season games/tournaments/etc in the state of South Carolina when they had the confederate flag flwon at the capitol and in other locations within the state?
with tongue deeply planted in cheek...
so so if UND were to go back to fighting Sioux, does that mean that no more playoff games can be held in North Dakota? Can UND mess with NDSU that way and keep football playoff games out of the Fargodome as well as the Alerus? Cool! Let's do it!
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I might suggest that Stanford picking a new tree nickname and logo may have indeed been a big FU to elitist academia nuts and the NCAA...
Stanford changed their nickname long before the NCAA got involved.
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Add Skyhawks and Wolves to Petey's list.
kinda disappointed Pony Express never gathered any momentum.
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Nice try 82.
I told you and F.S.F. and scottm on here back in 2012 when you were demanding I give one good reason why one should vote to keep the name that that "one hood reason" was so that people wouldn't be able to say B.S. like what you just said
We all know what the Sioux as a majority wanted. That was clearly demonstrated in the polls before 2012. They like everyone else voted that way to protect UND from sanctions as the aggressive media campaign said they should. Even Hak said it.
So F.off with your petty B.S. manipulations of that vote. You know the truth! The Sioux wanted and still want by majority to keep their name..
You're truly the worst kind of cancer to this whole situation. The fact that anyone listens to your rhetoric is beyond me.
Unfortunately, in the politically correct world of the NCAA, the majority would not sway their opinion. The basis of political correctness is that the majority is wrong at the expense of the few, the minority. So, in the infinite wisdom of the NCAA, the majority is often wrong and the minority must make the rules.
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I am just thinking in print here...
for or all those people who support staying North Dakota and facing the NCAA sanctions, whatever they may be, why not just come out and say stay Fighting Sioux? The sanctions would be the same whether the nickname is Fighting Sioux in fact or no nickname in endorsement, but Fighting Sioux de facto. So why not just be honest and support returning to the Fighting Sioux name?
we all realize that no nickname will be as strong or unique as the Fighting Sioux name, but there has to be resolution to this. For those of you who say the choices are bad, my guess is that your proposed names would not be universally accepted either, IF YOU HAD AN ACTUAL NAME TO PROPOSE, not just have the position of being against any name.
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UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs North Dakota style.
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If I recall correctly, the NCAA did not require UND drop the Fighting Sioux name. They said UND could continue as the Sioux if that is their desire. The sanctions for using the Sioux name were the penalty for continuing to use the name.
It sounds an awful lot like they have just said the same thing about going forward without a nickname (that will be a de facto endorsement of continuing to use the Sioux name). As far as the NCAA is concerned, they just pulled a Pontius Pilate and washed their hands of it and placed the final verdict in the hands of UND's opponent - whether on the ice, field or floor or the hands of the victim crowd. Any of these subgroups can yell "crucify them" and the NCAA, like Pilate, will happily comply.
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Actually, the football jerseys have only said "North Dakota" for a long time. Don't think that is going to change. ?They will not be playing for the Fighting Sioux. There is not an NCAA football team currently known as the Fighting Sioux. Pretty sure their jersey will say Sundogs, Roughriders, or Fighting Hawks.
p.s. Took almost 4 years to get to my 1000th post.
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Besides the limited number of people who frequent this forum keeping the size of the sample lower, the control of only being allowed to cast your vote(s) one time will keep the size smaller. This site does its best to limit ballot box stuffing, where the Herald/Forum poll and the nickname submission link allowed a single person to submit as many votes/suggestions as they were willing to spend their time doing. One person could hypothetically cast 100 votes easily in an hour. (See 'Ermines' for an example)I had seen the poll in this forum, looked to me like it was of a much smaller sample size? But, definitely you are correct in that the polls don't tell us that much.
My feeling (and I have absolutely no data to back this up) is that the no nickname/North Dakota group will not rally behind any nickname. I agree that there is no nickname is good enough to replace the Sioux name, especially when it is taken away by force. The committee was in an impossible predicament. There is no way they could have come up with a list of 5 names that people would have said "Wow, those 5 names are so good that I can't decide which one I like best." Oxbow's question in another thread is really unfair in that respect because the committee did the best they could under the circumstances.
So, back to the why can't UND stay without a nickname in perpetuity, like the 'football' teams in the UK? Yes, it is unique. But why is it unique? And do you really think that being unique in this particular way is in the best interest of the student athletes and the University of North Dakota? I can't give you any better reasons than those posted above, but for me, I would prefer that the North Dakota something's take the field/ice/floor over the North Dakta Nothings (not saying that 'Nothings' would become the de facto nickname, but who knows what outside sportswriters might start doing as derisive humor in absence of a true nickname).
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You assume all exposure for not having a nickname will be positive. Here in Colorado, plenty of people have asked why a bunch of hicks from North Dakota don't have a name.
The same here in Arizona. Followed by a chuckle.
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So, if this is going to be put to a vote, how about having the vote be between no nickname and Fighting Sioux and have the vote take place only on the 3 Sioux reservations and only among the enrolled members who live in North Dakota... No Sioux members from South Dakota.
Then take that to the NCAA.
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OK, how bout this for an option. Kelley reduces the choices to Roughriders and North Dakota. Put those up for a vote and see what comes out on top. If it is Roughriders, then that is the name and the supporters of "North Dakota" can't complain because their choice made it to the final vote. If "North Dakota" wins out the popular vote, Kelly can then inform the NCAA that UND has chosen to not have a nickname and just go with "North Dakota". If the NCAA is OK with it, then fine. If they say that is not an option and can't do that and that UND must select a new nickname, then default back to Roughriders.
The only problem I see with that scenario is that the choices would be "North Dakota" vs. Sundogs.
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Wow. First point... Schweigert voted against removing North Dakota from the list. Get over yourself and read more closely.As for Lowell, I don't know him but hear high praise of the kind of person and Alumni he is, BUT that doesn't warrant taking away the opportunity for all of the supporters to have their voice heard. Don't have to agree with me, but not allowing us to vote for a clearly popular choice, is not different that the Standing Rock Tribe not allowing their people to vote yes or no on the Sioux name in the first place. What you have is a small panel telling the public interest, "We know better than you, and it is what we want that counts".
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As for Landon Bahl, any student who is set to represent his constituents need to put personal bias aside. I understand not liking the concept of North Dakota, but to vote against letting you fellow students and alumni have a say in this process is wrong. Voting a -8 for an option that has clear public support, via message boards, online polls, letters to the editor (by know mean are these 100% accurate portrayals of public opinion, but they support the argument to a degree) is choosing to vote based on personal choice rather than as a representation of the student body.
Second point... What is your basis for claiming Bahl was not voting according to what he has been hearing from the people around him? Just as your circle of influence may prefer North Dakota, his may prefer that an actual nickname should be chosen.
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Add to your redundancy list North Dakota Nodaks, leaving only Roughriders and Fighting Hawks. Roughriders was my first choice since the realization the Sioux was gone, but there are a couple of Hawks that have taken up residence on our golf course. They are very impressive raptors. Miami RedHawks would be the only other Hawk in either of UND's conferences, so not opposed to it.Yes to your question. First, the redundancy of NORTH Dakota NORTH STARS, then the fact that it's Minnesota's nickname. UGH!
2/5 of the choices are embarrassing: North Stars and Sun Dogs/Sundogs are absurd. While the "move on" crowd keeps bitching at the "Sioux forever" crowd, Sun Dogs/Sundogs just keeps plugging along like the tortoise, headed to the finish line.
Really hope it won't be Sundogs, North Stars or Nodaks, but UND is still my alma mater and I will cheer for the UND ___________, no matter what the final choice is.
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too late for Tigers, the final five has already been set.