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oh and NDSU's enrollment declined by 120 students to 13413, led by a 150 student drop in it's freshman class from this time last year.

only about 90 teams actually participate in playoff-eligible conferences (swac, ivy, pioneer do not) even among those schools, a large portion don't take it seriously. My thought has been the playing for a title is a privilege, not a right. going 4-4 in conference and beating 3 scrubs you paid to come to your home field shouldn't get you in the playoffs. For that matter, I think you should have to win your conference to win a national title. I'd like to see it go back to 12, or better yet, 8.

NDSU has higher median act scores (by a trivial amount). UND has gotten the rep for the school you go to party at, while NDSU is the school your go to study at, which is why UND has been fighting the drinking so hard lately. The state's best students leave, which is why UND and NDSU both have median act scores equal to the states average.

It comes down to funding revenue. Their marginal cost is much lower than on campus students but UND get's the same funding from the state per student, which is already higher than NDSU on a per-person basis, while these people pay far more than regular tuition.

there are definitely at least two trends going on here, small state public schools (UAF, UND, UNL, UNLV, plus NDSU and SDSU in the next 5) and a subset of elite private schools. You could maybe make a case for flagship religious schools with notre dame, byu and yeshiva being a third trend. I don't know what to make of GSU and Florida A&M though, they would seem like classic safety schools. Of these schools, any instate applicant who applies to at least und, sdsu, ndsu and aaf will most likely be admitted, so if you want to stay in state and want to go to a given school, why would you bother applying to multiple schools? I was staying instate and didn't want to stay in Fargo, so I applied to UND, only UND, and went here. Had I wanted to go to minnesota, I doubt I would have bothered applying anywhere else. People who want to go to a more selective schools will be more likely to apply to multiple schools an be admitted to multiple schools, and these school have lower yields as a result. I'm actually very surprised by the yeilds at the ivy tier of schools, I would have expected their yields to be very low, since the same population is applying to multiple schools in that tier. If I want to go to an Ivy and my first choice is Columbia, I think I would apply to Penn, Harvard, NYU, and Yale as well, and I would expect to be admitted to either several or none. Anyway anyone who thinks that UND is in the same category as Yale, MIT or Stanford needs their head checked. Maybe 5% of our student body would have a shot at these schools. This is a pretty bad metric for popularity. UND and NDSU get around 5,000 applications a year each. Big ten schools get more students to actually enroll than we can get to apply. Cratter, I see that you have already put this in your sig, but still haven't deleted the lie that UND is the only North Dakota School in the top 200. NDSU is in the 180's. Also I'm pretty sure that both schools are doctoral, (although obviously not professional) in research activity.

pay attention

i'm surprised they didn't just split it up between minn, iowa, and nebaska.

i wasn't aware that so many were redshirting in the secondary. interesting to see how things pan out.

clearly I'm talking about the team with the all-american corner that I'm supposedly a closet fan of because I dare deviate from the party line around here. Not the team that got torched by cellar-dweller UNC and 'we-normally-pass-about-12-plays-a-game' cal poly, which this thread is about.

NDSU's 2008 recruitment class basically no longer exists. lol

like i said on AGS, I'm concerned about the lack of emphasis in the secondary. Depth there was already underwhelming, and apparently went unaddressed.

Better coaching, better tradition, geogaphically coherent conference, football town, established rivals, established FCS prominence. Did I miss anything? These can and have been overcome, but it will take UND having the better, or at least an equal, coaching staff.

me too. We've had biggish names before, cal poly and USD should move the needle. Never really turned out that way. I think the BSC will help turnout, but it might be a few years down the road.

also arp hasn't signed with ndsu yet, so maybe this isn't over. *knock-on-wood

In terms of filling immediate needs, probably #1 or 2 along with UNC. Pretty confident with the offensive players, particularly at skill positions.

last playoff game I was at at UND was Winona. I could've sworn the last NDSU/UND game went to at least double OT, my bad. That weekend in GF was pretty instrumental in me going to UND.

2003? the triple overtime final game in the series, which would have put me as a senior in highschool. this thread is now about my person inquisition.

NDSU is in a much better situation than UND for football. The most blind sioux hack on this forum can acknowledge that. I'm a little pessimistic about next year but pretty optimistic about the year after, and I think the big-sky is a sub-optimal conference for UND. Just because I don't follow the delusional optimism or fargo/kolpack/etc derangement than infects this place, doesnt mean I'm an NDSU troll. And for full disclosure, I did go to two NDSU games this year (UM and GSU) and two UND games (CP, and the scrubs we played in the potato bowl). I've never seen anything like the atmosphere at the GSU game at UND in any sport against any opponent, and I'm currently still bitter about it. That includes the last ndsu/und football game.

I go to UND you tool.

it will be. just like 2010 and 2011, all the incoming freshman will go to the first game, watch UND play down to mediocre competition, yawn, and never come back until they graduate, if then.

when was this? All ive been able to find was a SFI tweet that lechler was leaning ndsu and arp leaning und, nothing else.

any confirmation of this? otherwise my guess is the original lean-UND reported yesterday was BS.

I'll believe it when he signs. They did get marcus brantley, who I think visited UND at one point. I think we'll be playing NDSU sooner rather than later, but in the playoffs, as it should be.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4470607 starts out about NDSU but covers some of the top-end recruiting around the country. I would say we are a tiny step back from some of these teams, but not enough for it to matter. Should be a playoff worthy class. SBU got the nations best transfer in marcus coker.

can someone fill be in on arp? not as familiar with him as some of the others.