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never knew that was a thing. Also i forgot to count this thread, so there are actually six, and I found 2 more in another section.

davek can give lakes a run for his money, and is certainly a worse fan of his school. Mpls is an enormous ass. siouxsports isn't a very active forum, and bison posters are ubiquitous at most forums for major programs, particularly local power teams, like und or uni or sdsu, as well as cs and ags. Getting droned out by NDSU types isn't hard. I went to 3 ndsu games last year, never heard UND/sioux/whatever mentioned. It was the governor that started the sioux suck chant after the championship btw. there are five threads directly regarding ndsu on the front page of this section alone. I found 3 UND threads in a survey of bville. But yes, they are the ones with the hangup, not us with three separate threads about the rivalry game that NDSU doesn't even seem to want.

anyone else this its ridiculous that bsc wants to build a 35 million dollar fine arts building? also can we please get some money for the engineering buildings, specifically Harrington? I think there are enough people wasting their tuition on business degrees lets repurpose that money toward the engineers. You know, people who will actually make enough money to repay their loans.

I arrived in this thread with it already under discussion by other people. But yes please blame me for bringing it up. edit: as far as i can tell it is mentioned or discussed nowhere on bville.

it seems to come up here more than anywhere else. If the positions were reversed, i think we all know that this place would go rabid, and would never let it drop ever. The NDSU/UND rivalry seems to be much deeper on the grand forks side. Alot of it comes to downright bitterness of NDSU/fargo's success over the past decade. It hurts to see 'little brother' catch up, and in some ways surpass UND.

please keep in mind that we aren't talking about the end of the season, we are talking week 3. While the merits of UND's end of season position are certainly a topic worth of discussion (and i'm satisfied with UND's ranking as being roughly in line with reality), it is separate from the issue at hand which is a 1-2 team with no good wins suddenly jumping into the polls while a highly ranked team with a similar name drops by nearly an identical number of votes the same week while not playing a game. Lots of outsiders might mock UND's rank, record, or best win, but I don't think many people have a fundamental problem with UND being ranked or receiving votes aside from the inconstancy of ranking UND above Cal Poly.

you can say the same thing about the big sky. UNI and MSU has pretty parallel postseasons last year, each squeaking out a win at home, then get stomped by a seeded team on the road. I think the MVFC has a little more depth through the middle and the entire conference seems to be peaking right now, whereas the BSC seams to be in a bit of a weak period. At least neither conference had its runner up blown out at home like the socon did.

i was under the impression that the eerc will have the physical ground the ralph occupies, and the IPF was being built on the parking lot between the rea and the stadium walls

I would be very hesitant putting cal poly in the 'win' category. They should be a good team again. I would give UND the edge at home, but not by much. With their schedule, they could easily wind up winning the conference. I'm thinking UND goes 6-5 or 7-4. EWU and MSU are probably losses, and UND splits SDSU, CP UM and PSU, and maybe one loss to a bottom feeder team. if you recall, at one point last season 1-7 MSU was getting a significant number of votes. (i'm assuming they meant to vote for 7-1 MSU). Delaware State (an utterly worthless program) has also been known to get significant numbers of votes in the midst of their consistantly terrible seasons. GSU and GSU have also had problems. For MSU and UM it would be more difficult to tell, since both programs are typically pretty decent. It's certainly more plausible that a voter or two accidentally voted for UND instead of NDSU than that a large number of voters found enough merit in a loss to a bad fresno state team to push a 1-2 team coming off an unimpressive win over a non-scholarship team and a humiliating blowout loss to one of the worst programs in the fbs into the rankings while simultaneous deciding to drop bye-week NDSU on average by six spots in the poll with the total number of lost votes being nearly identical to the number of votes UND gained. 1) teams have been known to be mistaken in the polls, something everyone knows except UND fans. 2) UND jumped into the rankings after a loss 3) UND was 1-2 win a bleh win, a bad loss, and a respectable loss 4) NDSU dropped by nearly the same number of votes that UND gained 5) NDSU was on a bye week. That UND fans as a whole won't accept even the possibility that this could have happened is downright delusional.

according to sagarin 158 North Dakota State = 73.75 16 13 70.75( 238) 0 0 | 0 0 | 72.64 171 | 73.92 153 265 North Dakota = 66.31 13 14 67.59( 326) 0 2 | 0 2 | 67.34 253 | 65.92 269 NDSU won more games against better competition, aka the better team and better season. NDSU actually won 4 more games than UND, but for whatever reason the bracketbuster game doesn't show on sagarins calculations. one game means jack against an entire season, and you have to be brain dead to think otherwise. UND MBB showed alot of improvement this year, and beat two tourney teams, and a decent NDSU team.

I can't see UND sweeping it's home schedule. UND drops a game to either cal poly or UM (maybe both) and drops 2 games on the road, probably msu and ewu. Keeps it respectable against SDSU, but loses by 9, with a close game going into the 4th. 7-4, tie for 4th in the bcs with ewu and psu. UM MSU and cal poly make it to the playoffs, and psu and ewu are bubbleteams. The d2 game keeps und home for the holidays. of the 9 'conference' games, I think UND should be favored in 5 and a tossup in the 6th. Against msu, montana and ewu, und will be the underdog, cal poly being the wash.

I like the NDSU yellow and UND black as much or more than the standard getups. One of the best uniforms i've seen recently were the black/matt asu uniforms. I really liked those.

how is that any different from the legion of directional schools in the BSC? Portland state, weber, ewu, suu, nau, unc, sac st, idaho st? I'd take the midwest schools. to be honest though the only schools worth a damn in either conference are cal poly and UC davis (#38 in the admittedly crap usnwr rankings), who are leagues above the rest, and those are football only schools. trolled through the usnwr rankings uc davis: 38 (big west) ill st 160 (mvc) UND 164 (BSC) siu 170 (mvc) ndsu 181 (summit) umkc 181 (summit) MSU 190 (BSC) SDSU 194 (summit) Montana 194 (BSC) USD 194 (summit) indiana state, idaho state, IUPUI, NAU, oakland, PSU, UNO, UNC are 'unpublished' and ranked below 200. as far and football conference goes, I think things are pretty even with UND in the BSC. for general sports i think things lean a bit summit with UND in the BSC. with UND in the summit and mwfc, I think the summit /mvfc would win hands down, even with uc davis.

even without oral roberts, it's a better league than the bsc imo. Oral roberts has been pretty good for a long time, it's the other teams that were improving. 4 former ncc teams there, UND would make 5. I would love to see the logic behind all three dakota schools joining a conference on the other side of the continental divide. NDSU/USD/SDSU are as good or better than any schools in the BSC, except Cal Poly and UC Davis, and they are football only. It's not like we are talking about the big10 here. Almost all of these conferences are mediocre academically.

summit/mvfc being in the big sky is, was and ever shall be stupid as hell. The summit has been improving lately across the board.

i think alot of people expected them to be in the title hunt regardless of difficulty. I'm not sure how many bigsky teams/coaches have dealt with their offense, so it could be a productive first year for them. I figure the top three in conference will be UM MSU and CP.

apples and oranges. No one has said ndsu and gsu should play an annual series until the end of time, and that contract was the rear end of of a transition era agreement. Of course, rather than play an away game, GSU jumped at the buyout and played a sixth home game against some scrub team. Playing GSU does alot more for NDSU in terms of national reputation than playing UND, same with Montana and MSU, who I think they have series lined up with in the future. Compared to the status quo of bringing in two meac/ovc/nec/patriot teams, playing an annual home and home with UND is not really in NDSU's interest, and I think that is pretty obvious. UND on the other hand would gain alot, and have the opportunity to gain more, should they notch an upset or two. NDSU is an established player nationally, UND needs to do the same, and from a program point of view, UND doing that would be bad for NDSU. I know i'm belaboring the point here, but why would NDSU want to do something that would so clearly benefit UND in a significant manner while providing limited, if any, benefit to itself? Someday they will be in the same conference again, and the series will be annual again. Until then, they won't and shouldn't play annually.

I think there is a difference between not understanding and not wanting. What's with UND fan not understanding that NDSU doesn't have anything to gain by playing UND? even if you double prices, it's a wash monetarily (and a huge boon to UND) they don't need to attention because they already have it (UND really does need it), and keeping UND down marginally helps their recruiting. Playing UND annually is no big deal. I wouldn't mind UND and NDSU playing frequently, but until they are in the same conference, there is no reason, aside from increasing the odds that one or the other is not in the playoffs. My ideal UND scheduling would look like this: 4 home 4 away conference, fbs money game, home game one and done, and home-home series. For the home-home, something like ndsu ndsu sdsu sdsu national opponent ndsu ndsu usd usd national opponent would be a good mix.

In all fairness, SHSU did make themselves runner-up shirts.

at an extra $20 a game, that would be $300,000, roughly the cost of a forgone game. NDSU might break even monetarily. On the other hand, every other year UND quadruples it's revenue from a game. Why would they agree to this give up a homegame ever other year for a wash financially that helps out a rival recruiting program? I would rather see both teams arrange home-homes with more national programs than each other, especially since starting in two years, or maybe even next year, they will be meeting in the playoffs most years anyway?

I think dome tickets go for around $20. bump it up to 25 for UND, and you make an extra 100,000. Then the next year you give up 400,000 in ticket sales to go to grand forks. Plus UND would't even be the biggest game of the year, that would normally be UNI or SDSU. should those games be premium as well? Any home-home situation is basically a six figure handout from NDSU football to UND football. It's pretty clear why they aren't in favor of it. Both teams would probably make more money if NDSU just paid UND 250k to come to the fargodome every year.

I can only imagine the bisonville thermonuclear meltdown if you lost.

home and homes would probably be a money losing situation for the fargodome/ndsu. Giving up a home game or money game every other year for a slight bump in ticket sales sounds like a loser. I have no idea why either NDSU or UND would want to play in Bismarck. Thats a lose-lose for everyone expect Bismarck. As far as building a new stadium goes, I think they will have to wait until they can sell out a much larger arena, assuming they stay indoors. There is no point in building a 25,000 seat facility when you can already seat 19000, unless the fargodome is reaching the end of it's life span, which is probably 20 years away. A new indoor place would probably have to be in the low 30k range to be worth it, and at that point you would be looking at a 200+ million dollar construction bill. The other possibility would be to expand the fargodome, assuming it could be done and at a plausible price. 100 million for 10,000 more seats would be a bargain.

No, i think he does know that the odds would be against UND pulling the upset.

Kelley has been a huge step up from c-kup. I have a feeling that this is going to come down to hakstol. If he comes out pro-nickname (as i think he will), it'll pass, and I hope the administration will have the good sense to can his ass. I'm not sure which way I will vote come D-day. I'm not nearly as tightly bound to the school as most alums, and I really enjoy my schadenfreude with regards to the dead-enders. On the other hand, I don't want to see myself associated with a school who's biggest public front is the national equivalent of a leper.