They were great coaches in their time. They game has passed them by, their methods really don't work with today's athletes. I think Berry is a good coach, he's also a great human being. I think DC in Denver is also good. Honestly, some on this board don't like Berry and I really don't feel like getting in a pissing contest, we're not going to change each other's mind. People have their own views. I can respect that. For instance, some people like pineapple on their pizza, I don't.