Siouxperfan7

https://www.google.com/search?q=college+bird+logos&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS781US781&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfu-TcwI_bAhXL7IMKHRXFBtwQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=905 Would people prefer any of these logos? Are these so much better? People complain about the Fighting Hawks name being unoriginal. Should UND have further perpetuated that by choosing another bird logo like all these others?!!

Denver did a nice job with theirs.

Looks better already. Personally i would so like NDSU does and remove the black circle at the middle. Most schools find a way to make it suttle on the court. Also make it bigger, again like the size of he Bison logo. Fighting Hawks on one end, Norb Dakots ok the other. If you can mock that up, hat would be awesome!!

Fan of the program or fan of the logo. You are obviously the later.

Some may thing that our fighting Hawks logo at midcourt would look bad. Well, it could be worse.....

So, does that mean the court repainting is put on hold?!

Looks like we have another nickname controversy!!

Typically you aren't going to admit you are hypocritical. Not something someone admits to and is proud of. I get it that it isn't EXACTLY the same situation. But you have to acknowledge the similarities at the root of the issue.

So you were told that the logo for the school you cheer for wasn't acceptable. And now you are doing the same thing and saying the logo of that same school is unacceptable. The definition of a hypocrite. Truth hurts.

There are many that feel that the Fighting Sioux name and logo was never offensive, and that people that thought it was should just move on because what is offensive to some isn't always the case for others. But now, some of those same people are saying that they take offense to the Fighting Hawks name and logo because they thing it sucks. Obviously different reasons for being offended by each logo, but the mindset is the same. If you bitched and moaned about the PC idiots at the NCAA that tried to tell you that you should be offended by the Sioux name and logo yet now bitch and moan that the new name and logo is offensive....you might be a hypocrite.

Wait, are you trying to convince me that the REA makes money because of UND athletics? Poppycock!!!

And that's the problem. Should the decision of what logo is to be used at center court/ice be made my KM or the Engelstad Foundation?

The interlocking ND is retired. Not coming back. Not an option.

"I'm not sure of many other places where the wishes of the athletic department are not the governing operative, whether the facility is owned or leased or not." Like him or hate him, Kennedy has a valid point here.

I don't think Kennedy rephrasing it like it would have made any difference. They would have replied the same way. When your mind is made up about something, no one is going to change your mind.

You actually make a good point here. I don't think that the Fighting Hawks logo is as polarizing as Hodgson wants to believe. They could put the logo on the front of the hockey jerseys, replace the neon logos on the outside with the Hawks logo, etc, etc, etc and it is not going to make the die hard, Sioux Forever crowd hate the logo any more.

The most important thing in all this isn't the logo at mid court at the Betty. It is Kennedy going to REA and telling them things that he would like the REA to do to benefit UND, then the REA basically telling him tough luck, we do what we want. And that being in direct violation to the contract they had having the REA doing things in the best interests of UND. If the REA is confused as to what the best interests of UND are, maybe one place to look is the President of UND telling you what they are!

So doing something once is "actively"? If that is the case, I have "actively" been taking a dump all day!

UNLV alums living in Vegas? Is that right??

I am guessing she found out about the open records laws in ND and realized that she had to get out in front of this story to control the narrative. It worked...temporarily, until the facts come out.

Most schools put their logo at center court. Including SDSU. Thanks for pointing that out!!

Well, technically the Fighting Hawks logo is a "letter" logo. Ours just happens to be formed with a hawk head!!

Funny how all we heard after the Sioux name was retired that donations were going to go down. Yet they have gone up at record levels every year. Same thing applies here. If they put the logo at center ice/court, sure there would be people that wouldn't like it. But would people be giving up their season tickets so they wouldn't have to look at the logo they despise? Highly unlikely. Eventually people would get used to it and, god forbid, maybe start to appreciate it and maybe pick up a shirt or hat at the Siouxshop after the game. II think the biggest fear of the Sioux Forever crowd is that their die hard/anti nickname base may be less and less as the years go by and that the majority of UND fans will embrace the Fighting Hawks name and logo.

Or maybe "Hey, how bout you keep me and other leaders here at UND , you know your primary tenant who makes you all your money at the Ralph, in the loop in regards to big issues like this in the future. Thanks."