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Agreed, other than I think UND is stuck in more the top 16-25 range at this point.

That’s called the homer bias, I believe.

That play hurt a lot, but what if Schuster doesn’t throw that critical interception to NDSU’s Dawson Weber? What if UND converts the late 4th down instead of getting stopped? Million plays (figuratively) that they could have done better on and it could have led to a win. The game is not won or lost on a single play. It’s what makes it a beautiful team game.

Not for that particular game, but I can imagine the probability dropped after the fumble. My point is just that if UND played a better game in the first 3 quarters, it would not have been so critical that UND play a perfect 4th quarter. We all know UND has struggled playing complete games on the road.

so … average… like the current UND football program? More good is better than more bad, ya know? Need to do better. Need to change some things up. Let’s see what happens.

But does it? Comes down to playing better team football the entire game. Not a difficult concept. Future actions are dictated by past actions … so what if the past actions are better? Then there will be better (e.g., perhaps no fumbling) future actions.

You’re broken with your backlash. UND already is irrelevant when it comes to top tier FCS programs. They’ve won one division one playoff game in the last 15 years. Sick of them not getting a nationally televised football game yet. It’s not good enough right now. And you’re completely incorrect - it’s unlikely UND is going to “suck” or get much worse by ”canning” this all-star coaching staff, but I digress. South Dakota State argument is the broken record; keeping a coach for 26 years is definitely not the standard/norm around the country, but yet only South Dakota State (that’s never won a championship, maybe will finally get one this year) has it figured out?

If UND plays better before the fumble, perhaps that situation never occurs. Did the fumble hurt? Of course. That’s what that the “win probability graph” shows, but it goes beyond just one single play. It calculates the cumulative effect of all plays up to that point. Football is a 60 minute team game. Probably biggest team game of them all.

Remember, biggest fallacy in football is that a single play loses or wins a game. You probably don’t remember it, but look at all the mistakes UND made prior to Otis fumble, and afterwards. It’s a 60 minute ball game. Need better effort from A to Z.

Yep, players win games, coaches can lose them, though. Many many times, the coaching at UND has led to loses against teams that they should beat, even with their current inadequate talent level. That’s on the coaching staff. UND’s coaches certainly don’t walk on water - there’s deficiencies, embrace it. Need better players too, though, but coaches are the recruiters, ya know?

All in all, NDSU was the better team, sucks cause it was close, but NDSU still good enough to get to Frisco. Sickening. Disgusting. All words to express displeasure.

Disgusting. Several questionable calls in NDSU’s favor. But in the end, the unfortunate but inevitable outcome: another championship game for ag school

No, you missed by point. I am not criticizing a group based on a physical attribute, rather referring to that group using that term. The reason they are being criticized is completely independent of their physical attributes. I was not the first one on this forum to use that term, by the way, I just carried it forward.

Gonna be tough. Nebraska has a sizeable NIL package as well; actually, one of the best in the country.

Once again, assumptions of my personal accomplishments and resume are the focus of your post. I’m unaware of what I’m unaware, apparently. Unknown unknowns. Okay, Donald Rumsfeld. Ridiculous. I’m not going there… again. This isn’t about me or any individual person, other than maybe those employed by UND. Furthermore, there are several issues, and conservatism and stagnancy is part of it. Using the term “gray hairs”, which I just carried forward on this forum, apparently upset you. Don’t excessively focus on that. No individual (other than maybe coaches) is being singled out (or at least I’m not doing that, you are though). This is an overall group/institution issue, and there’s no easy fixes given the hole, but ultimately there are fixes.

There’s always exceptions, but as a whole, the “gray hairs” aren’t doing enough. So, yes, fair criticism is warranted. By fair, I mean UND’s lack of compete ascension is certainly not entirely due to the gray hairs. There’s internal misdirection to thank for some of the issues.

True, but pathetic. UND extended him after a losing season!?! Ridiculous. Did Engelstad-McGary recommend that extension?

Don’t want to start a hockey vs football argument, but with UND’s finite amount of resources, UND football is certainly limited by the degree of allocation towards hockey. Just the way it is. There isn’t enough money, time, and staff for UND (apparently) to market and build both programs to the top tier. It’s beyond disappointing, but the last 15 years definitely demonstrate it.

A higher paying job in Colorado? Kennedy was definitely on the right track by identifying and trying to rectify the corrupt Engelstad-UND agreement, but in the end just too much corruption (and crying wolf by Engelstad-McGary) to stick with that fiasco.

I think the gray hairs deserve their fair share of criticism. Everything is interconnected. Their conservatism and “stagnant” thinking as @UND08states is not a good thing. Constantly comparing them to the student body isn’t going to produce any accomplishments for UND.

Yeah, but not many midmajor programs roll with hockey as their core program. Maybe 5 to 10 programs across the nation, tops. And many do not even sponsor football. Bottom line, I think the hockey core program model is damaging for football and basketball and doesn’t have a good track record. Furthermore, UND isn’t bucking that trend.

Since moving up to DI in 2007, I’d argue that UND athletics as a whole has become less relevant, as opposed to more relevant. That’s partly because of NDSU and SDSU’s success, and shifts in local media coverage, but also because UND leadership and boosters are satisfied with the status quo. Going DI in 2007 didn’t change much, if anything, for hockey. But it also hasn’t led to major accomplishments for other sports… which is beyond disappointing. UND needs to invest more. I’m happy with the improvements coming in terms of facilities, namely Pollard Athletic Center phase II and Memorial Village. But overall, despite the patience and realism talks we often get by the elder statesmen on here, the rate of successful change for non-hockey sports at UND is occurring at way too slow of a rate. NDSU and SDSU continue to ascend while UND stays put. Hopefully UND makes some progress on the field/court over the next few years, or else I fear long-term discrepancies could develop. I think it is fair to be cautiously optimistic, because NDSU as a whole is facing some issues right now, but UND can’t get any more complacent than they’ve been for the past 15+ years. In fact, they may need to stick their neck out just a bit more … just a wee bit. A big power/financial move that needs to happen in the future, whether that’s in 5 years or 15, is getting more television contract money. That would require UND to merge with an FBS conference, or create their own. Most realistic would be a Mountain West merger with some MVFC and Big Sky Conference teams, but that’s still a long shot.

There’s no figurative hole. Yes, I hope NDSU loses, but not putting any money on it. NDSU’s system has proven to work in FCS playoffs - time and time again.

Matter of perception. My “garbage” is often the painful truth, that no one wants to admit or fathom. We’ll agree to disagree. Alternatively, I don’t see you bringing anything fruitful to the discussion.

Correct. Often won and lost at the line of scrimmage, of which I know you’re a subscriber.