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What’s important is UND just wins. Beat Boise State in Boise? Would be nice. Beat NDSU in Grand Forks to further hurt the bizon’s feelings? Awesome. Defeat defending champs in Brookings? Tough but not impossible. These should be the goals, not where UND is ranked to start the year. This whole poll watching crap is petty.

As far as your reality goes, of UND not having anyone close to what NDSU and SDSU have, whose fault is that?

Tucker Kraft Kraft was a force in all three phases of the game at Timber Lake High School, seeing action primarily at running back, middle linebacker and punter. He rushed for 1,405 yards and 24 touchdowns as a senior, while adding 132 receiving yards and 56 tackles en route to a spot on the Sioux Falls Argus Leader Elite 45. A four-year starter, his career totals included 3,130 rushing yards and 50 touchdowns on offense, to go along with 142 tackles and eight sacks on defense. He also saw limited action at quarterback, throwing five touchdown passes. Kraft plans to major in biology. https://gojacks.com/news/2018/12/19/jackrabbits-unveil-football-recruiting-class.aspx I agree with what you’re saying. Have to better utilize the players. Looks like he had the accolades to suggest he could be good. But recruiting is an in-exact science, as you know. And he’s not from Madison - you’re thinking of the Janke twins. I think getting kids to the NFL is a big deal, and shouldn’t be entirely overlooked as you suggest. Give SDSU credit for developing and actually utilizing their tight ends. UND needs to improve in both those areas (development, player utilization).

We all (including Bubba and staff and UND fans) recognize and agree that your point #1 is #1. UND needs to get bigger, stronger, faster and meaner on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. If they can do that, they can be champions. But they have a lot of catching up to do to NDSU and SDSU. the other points are valid and really are just pure coaching: situational football, teaching, player prep, etc.

I agree, that needs to be the focus. It’s been discussed ad nauseam on other threads. Players, coaches, administrators, fans all need to take the next step. But can’t ignore NDSU and SDSU. They will stand in UND’s way every season, both off the field (i.e., recruiting) and on it. SDSU used NDSU to boost their efforts by recognizing a very tangible benchmark right in front of them. UND needs to do the same. The standard is right there in front of them.

Nice to see NDSU lose. No longer at the top. No longer undefeated in Frisco. Ag college football is not invincible.

Didn’t graduate from high school. Didn’t see no point in it … and … high school English was not effortless. On to the next subject.

Unbelievable

I consider irrelevant to be of a negative connotation in this context, so it’s a double negative for all intents and purposes. https://www.niu.edu/writingtutorial/grammar/double-negatives.shtml https://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/double_negative.htm Enough grammar etiquette- that’s the not point. We’re ultimately saying the same thing. Not dwelling on mistakes made by UND, just hoping they learn from it.

Nice use of a double negative - thanks. I don’t think any deceased mammals need to be violated for you to just admit bringing up an historical case in point is worthwhile.

History repeats itself, so I agree with you. That’s why I think bringing up DeBoer vs Bubba in 2013 is still relevant. Ignoring the past is not a good approach.

Spot on, top programs don’t do what Bubba’s program did in 2017 and 2021. Leads to regional irrelevance.

You sure the rubes aren’t already in control for UND? Current leadership still has plenty to prove. Too much bureaucracy.

Nice reference. Bubba has improved UND football, but plateaued the past few seasons. One option is for new blood/brains for next step, but I hope Danny Freund can help take UND to next level as is.

Whoa … word distraction. DeBoer is a very good coach. Did same thing for Fresno State. UND and Faison missed in 2013.

You make a very convincing argument ….

UND program support is not at the same level of SDSU and NDSU, but working on it. And I think UND was almost “top 15” in 2022, but what happened in 2021? Or 2017? That was under Bubba’s watch and is unacceptable if you want to claim that UND is making progress towards the upper echelon. Inconsistency has been the issue. And getting back to support, letdowns kill momentum and that oh so very important support by laypersons.

If this happens, just shut it down.

This isn’t rocket science. Most professionals know what they’re worth, including those in the coaching profession. You get what you pay for. UND spends embarrassingly low amounts on basketball, improving amounts for football, and vast majority towards hockey, as we know. UND tried to circumvent the minimal spending issue by hiring from local DII - didn’t work, obviously, at least this time around.

It’s is possible - crazy, I know - that both Jones and Sather were/are not good coaches for UND. With that said, Jones at least had connections in Iowa for some talent. Sather has shown that his coaching and recruiting connections are both subpar.

UND treats its “division one” athletic programs like those of a middle school - everyone gets a participation ribbon and a pat on the back. Why would you ever want to hold the players and coaches to a high standard? I suppose because it might cost a few $$ and could hurt some feelings … Could just as well still be division II at this rate … extending losing coaches and being about as stagnant as possible during an otherwise typical cold slow winter in North Dakota. UND athletics has an opportunity to ignite interest and following during the dead of winter, but instead drops the ball on a consistent basis.

What should happen and what will happen - for both programs - are two different things. Need to get on the same page for success and good things to start happening for UND athletics.

Yeah, I’ve said my piece … for now.

Both have issues, and both are on the same path (i.e., need change to take next step). You’re trying to keep this facade going despite you missing the big picture. “Can’t talk to stupid people”. Good night.

Probably Monday if Chaves worth a damn. He’ll have to admit to his mistake, though, given he hired Sather. Could see this disaster just continuing to season end.