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You have a high-level talent that gets numerous offers, thus enters the portal, and yet your team with said talent goes 12-21 (5-11) in 2024-25? Where’s the deficiency?

Always an eye-opening reminder that somethings never change around here; again, a microcosm of the problems that currently haunt UND. Two identities making countless comments on one thing while meaning another, just to try prove a point. “If it looks like a horse, then it’s probably a horse.” Some try way too hard on misdirection. The culture of UND cannibalism needs to be eliminated. Anyways, here we are again at a UND coaching discussion. We all know which way this should go, but why do anything efficiently around here?

Correct. But @iramurphy and @jdub27 will call such as alternative fact, baseless assumption, and a strawman argument. This fan board really is good ol’ entertainment, but it also is an interesting microcosm of what presently troubles UND athletics.

Those “assumptions” are based upon more historical foundation and factual circumstance than you either realize or are willing to embrace.

I figured that strategic comment would get your attention. I can appreciate your connections and experience, but I don’t agree with your logic in some circumstances. It’s probably a good thing that you don’t take fan board messages too serious. I don’t either. But the majority decision amongst those that value UND and their athletic programs does in fact matter (or should). Certainly the “decision-makers” will do what they want to do, but as has been said on numerous occasions, if the “decision-makers” such as your beloved Chaves purposely fail to factor in the opinions of season ticket holders, boosters, and alumni, then the “decision-makers” are a part of the problem, not the solution. We all know you’re taking the bet (again) that UND will improve under Chaves, and I’m okay with that because I’m all for optimism, but clearly this subject (UND MBB coach) and associated question has a verdict that needs to be acted on: time for a new MBB head coach.

So loyal and committed to UND that you fail to hold UND to a higher standard: a grave example of being too far on one side of the spectrum.

Probably more appropriate in this thread.

Of course. Everyone is.

UND men’s basketball is in a tough situation. Facilities and dollars for staff (and players now with NIL) just aren’t there for this to be an attractive job. With that said, you still need to look at whether or not you can improve coaching to better compensate for the deficiencies, some of which you can’t control (e.g., location). I think it is time to part ways with Sather, especially since UND will likely be parting ways (unintentionally) with Eaglestaff also. Time to see what a new coach can do for UND MBB. Now, will UND leadership actually do their job and make the move? Probably not - I have little faith, despite how well the transition to Coach Schmidt for football has gone thus far.

All eyes on ya and… this? what the hell UND basketball typical crap

c^3 =culture creates championships Hawk time

Disagree. NDSU and SDSU at home to end the season is excellent. Going to be a fun time bringing fb championships back to the northernmost (better) end of I29.

UND will win playoff games in 2025 (this year). Book it.

Wow. Dangerous logic here folks.

The “general fan” in Grand Forks is a poor abused one, whose soul has recently been crushed and countlessly conditioned to believe UND is inferior to NDSU and other regional DI institutions. The “general fan” for UND currently is in need of serious rehabilitation, and for football, that process has gone wonderfully thus far. There’s no question basketball needs the same treatment. The standard of excellence for UND athletics needs to be raised, and hearing defense of the status quo over and over again is tiring and not helpful, but there are factors at play not mentioned here that need to be considered, also.

Being aware of the landscape is important, and decisions can be and should be partially influenced by the opposition, but I suppose I agree with you that opposing fan bases shouldn’t directly be influencers.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Ignorance is bliss, which is especially true with the pseudo-logic being produced on this subject. I don’t doubt Sather stays. There’s a lot of contentment around UND athletics. We’ll see how the conference tournament goes, but there’s no question his overall record at UND is not acceptable (or at least should be unacceptable). With that all said, UND MBB is up against it on numerous fronts, not just coaching. Think facilities and funding … have to be able to offset the geographical disadvantages. What UND AD has done for football in facilities is out of this world … basketball is in need of the same thing sometime in the next 5-10 years.

Beat the ag house down south Go Hawks

UND goes 12-0 and gets the #1 seed in the playoffs UND by a million over school down south Gonna be fun

Honestly, not even sure “huge” does justice in just how important the new facilities and associated improvements have been and will be for UND football. The increased investment by the UND athletic department (and collective) - and the new coaching staff - just adds to it … Big things coming …

Pretty darn exciting. New facilities already paying off. Excited to see what the new facilities do for football, cross country, and track & field also …

Why not when more of it will stick than ever before?

I’m all for positivity and enthusiasm at this critical period of time in UND Football history! You’re either part of the solution or the problem. Let’s win championships!

Times are changing; there’s a first time for everything. You’re either for it or against it (or indifferent which is the worst). Again, attitude matters - what will it be? As of now, you’re sounding apathetic - what will it take for you to join the club?

Amen. There’s a current mindset and expectation problem, for sure, but there’s also a solution in sight. Keep fighting and working for it and the solution will become reality, perhaps sooner than people think.