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i hate the "just kids" comments. Is Mack Celebrini just a kid?

back to my aggressive comment...here's a great example. Liam Pue is an absolute blue chip stud 2010. He is playing up into u18 in BC. So he's 14 turning 15 playing vs 16 and 17 year olds and doing a great job. However, if you are a stud 16/17 in BC, why are you not in the WHL or BCHL? You would be if you were ready/good enough. So, i have seen Pue many times and agree that he is a top 10 player in his birthyear. He's also a great kid. I am a fan and want to see him make it. It makes sense for him to play up out there. The best analogy however would be that he is playing varsity high school hockey in minnesota as a freshman.

thanks buddy, if you read my post i posit that as a question...no doubt there are excellent ex-D coaches. I wonder if it is more to do with era you played in vs position you played?

i agree...that's a couple drinks in, and I caveated it : )

100%...when a player is the hardest worker and has skill that others don't have, you have something special...all three you mentioned had both in spades

Froen Fours keep the fan base alive...we had a 10 year gap between 87 and 97...we aren't making it this year, so we will have another 10 year gap...that is twice in my lifetime

Carle is also very upfront in terms of this is how i see you and your role throughout our time together. He shows the path they will take and then leads them on it.

we didn't win a chip with Parise, Oshie, Toews...I watched every game

I couldn't bite my tongue anymore...here's the deal, if you are playing anything other than tier 1 junior hockey (CHL, USHL, NTDP) at 17, you are not a chipper. If you are playing "up" into junior age eligible hockey, you are probably good, but your stats don't count (this includes the spendy prep schools)...you are a tier 1 junior player prospect racking up points vs kids who might be older but they weren't good enough to move on to junior hockey.

nope, nothing guarantees that

So...I agree with you. However, the fan base loves the elite players making plays even if they fall short of the big trophy. Our issue is we aren't doing either...we aren't winning, and we aren't losing in the Natty's with an exciting team full of future NHLers

people don't just want wins, they want to see excitement on the ice...amazing goals, great saves, big hits...I don't even know what to say. I don't have the expertise to endorse firing a coach, but I know I used to love Sioux hockey, I know kids used to see UND as a great place to play and develop...we have slipped

brother that makes me even more sad...they are losing us...

here's the biggest, saddest issue...some of you like me, some of you dont...I've been on this forum since 2003...I watched and bled Sioux hockey...until bubs...I still have my NCHC TV link, but I watched 80% of games between 2003 and 2017...I now watch 2 or 3 per year...

Hockey has always been a humble, blue collar sport....it isn't anymore...the elite of the elite have families paying $70k+ for their kids...that's not blue collar anymore, that's elitist !@#$

NIL and modern approach to dev to the NHL

None of the elite 2008 and younger class puts UND at the top of their list...this is a huge problem! None of the classes Parise or Toews are thinking UND is the place anymore...

and before someone answers tough, I'm not talking about the kids when they were born. I mean that 10 years ago the top kids who are 15, 16, 17 had UND right at the top

I'm around a lot of the top kids in the 08-10 birth years....we got work to do...10 years ago we were at the top of all of their lists, we aren't anymore

I don't want to be looking for diamonds in the rough...Parise and Toews were no questions asked absolute blue chippers...Sanderson too

for sure, and the fact they signed means off limits, and they are very good.

Right now the 2009 elite class is having initial conversations....we want: Pelosi, Scuderri, Schneider, Fitzhenry...we need one of those 4....

I know Bubs is a great dude, program first, but is the fact he is a former defenseman (as is Sandy in Duluth) a problem....where top end prospect forwards don't want to play for a head coach who is a dman...

We can't be happy with hard working dudes who want to be part of the program. We need not worry about 19/20 year olds who are "good" hockey players...they are a dime a dozen. We need to be landing the guys that are special...Parise, Toews, Oshie, Boeser, Schmaltz, Sanderson....truly elite talent...I am terrified we are becoming St Cloud, Mankato, Duluth....BU, BC, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Denver....seem to be leaving us in the dust

I do not have an opinion whatsoever on the hiring/firing of coaches. I do have an opinion however as to the product we are seeing on the ice, and the changes that are happening in college hockey. Let's pivot away from Brad for a second and think about our other distinguished alumni coach over in Duluth. Look at Isaac Howard. Kid goes to Duluth a first rounder from the program. Absolute Blue Chipper. He has a less than average season playing for Sandy. Then he transfers to Michigan State and is crushing college hockey on the #1 team in the country. I am really thinking that whomever posted it was onto something...its a new era of coaching style that will be successful.