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When I was in undegrad, the power hour was one shot of beer per minute for an hour. Which equates to about 8 beers, which will get you quite drunk, but is about 1/3 of the alcohol content of doing 21 shots of booze. Alcohol poisoning would have to be diagnosed at the hospital- no dorm occupier can make that diagnosis. I bet more kids die from texting and driving than from hard partying- should we suspend players for that too? As I said earlier, individually tragic events happen all the time. You can't control it- in reality, there is very little any of us can control. Establishing rules and controls are just ways for people to try and make themselves feel better. Back to the booze- the human body has a bunch of mechanisms to prevent alcohol poisoning- throwing up being the most notable, and simply passing out so as not to be able to consume anynmore. Getting to the level where you are actually at risk of system shutdown would seem very difficult to do- especially for novice drinkers. Bottom line for me is that this too shall pass, and college kids will go on drinking to excess, fornicating, skipping class,etc. That is just what they do.

Ding, Ding, Ding...I'm sure it was always a non-issue, so never discussed as needing to be managed- until UND gets labeled binge drinking capital of the world, and a party gets out of hand with the most highly visible representatives of the University, and Faison feels the need to flex a little.

I can't believe Hak allows the guys to do anything other than skate and do pushups- I mean they have to grow up and take things seriously. If they aren't thinking about hockey, then they aren't thinking... I mean a lot of people with generally unsatisfying lives depend on it.

I don't recall if he was suspended when he got his minor...here is DU's UND "rap sheet" August, 2005 - UND Captain Matt Greene arrested for DUI July, 2006 - Robbie Bina Arrested For DUI September, 2006 - Joe Finley arrested for "Loud Party" November, 2006 - Jonathan Toews charged with "minor in consumption and noisy party gathering" February, 2007 - Toews, T.J. Oshie & Bina arrested at Judy's Tavern February, 2007- Grand Forks Police Chief Packett addresses team April, 2007 - Toews & Oshie plead guilty May, 2007 - Finley ordered to pay fine & perform community service December, 2007 - Oshie arrested again, this time for disorderly conduct allegedly after peeing in an elevator July, 2009 - Finley & Matt Frattin arrested for disorderly conduct, fleeing from police and giving false information August, 2009 - Frattin arrested again. This time its DUI September, 2010 - Danny Kristo cited by police for underage drinking January, 2011 - Danny Kristo suffers frostbite in "Snowbank Incident" April 2012 - Michael Parks cited for underage drinking August 2012 - Dan Senkbeil cited for underage drinking & running from cops August 2012 - Michael Parks cited for underage drinking for 2nd time September 2012- Captains Andrew MacWilliam, Corban Knight, Danny Kristo & Carter Rowney suspended one game after "unacceptable behavior at team party"

Bar fight is much worse than an initiation party- that is violence and is in the same vein as the BU assaults I would support the removal of any player who was assaulting other people off the ice, and I would personally have the player arrested if they were sexually assaulting women.

Mai Tai Secondly, did you never have a very, very drunken evening with a few buddies that resulted in a much stronger bond? All of my good friendships have some shared alcohol experience. It kind of proves that your boys have your back and will still like you even when you are a drunken douche. I honestly think that the lawn mower throwing was way worse than an initiation party...

First of all, this is tying back to this undocumented conjecture that someone had alcohol poisoning- which I have not seen confirmed. Secondly- I said not trying to hurt somebody, and I would stand by that. Do you think they want to do irreparable physical harm to a teammate? No way, they want to bust him up, laugh at him a bit, and build some shared experiences.

Don't forget, that Canadian was at least 35 years old if he were a day.

Well, I for one have no idea about the NDSU football team issue. They are not on my radar, I don't live in the area, and I don't follow "class B" football conferences and teams.

Plenty of heavy drinking under the Blais and Gaspirini eras. Especially in the off-season- which is what right now is. Was too young to know under Gino, but was first hand and 21 in the summer of 97. To think that this is any different than anything that happens at any other school is crazy. To think it is any different than anything that happened any other year is also crazy. I was also first hand with friends of mine who played for UND, UMD and for Minnesota. These were all great guys with strong commitments to the team, each other, and their hockey futures; they are guys that I would trust with my sister, and they liked to cut loose with the sauce on Saturday nights after the game and multiple nights of the week during the offseason- just like any other college kid. I want to be clear that I am fine with the punishments- As much as I tout boys will be boys, I also understand not letting the inmates run the asylum. I posted somewhere that this whole "journey" might be the exact team building aspect that we need. I am not cool with grandstanding, making examples of, speculating, getting on ridiculously prideful high horses, or making irrational statements or positions regarding UND's "standing in the world"- remember these are young men, not trying to hurt anybody... BU is different, because of the sexual assaults- that is something entirely different.

I actually thought the name calling was the first sign of losing an argument. My spelling and grammar critiques were in response to the name calling. Everyone needs to stop getting bent out of shape and start focusing on hockey.

Tired of this topic- I want to talk hockey

I could be a jerk and comment about "stupid" as it relates to spelling and the proper usage of too vs to, but I won't.

they certainly are in anything medical

Fully aware and understand- I just don't care- if you can't drink, don't. If you can- have fun. I don't care about the individually tragic outcome- Sorry, I just don't. I have no empathy for people who don't take care of themselves. Major disruptions on the team?? There is no evidence of this being the case. Lots of hockey from October to April- yes, and it is September right now. Excessive alcohol consumption? Again, no evidence- at least not public.

Multiple Choice Test Everyone who is so uptight about partying sounds like they: A. Didn't get invited to many parties B. Watched their date go home with more fun people after the party C. Married really unattractive women/men D. Live with their parents E. All of the above In all seriousness, everyone's entitled to their opinions- I just don't think this is a big deal. I am fine with Hak punishing guys for breaking team rules- his job.

In the old days, if the team party got out of hand and the coach heard about it, you knew what would happen: Herbies till you puke, maybe an extra day of no puck drills. As ridiculous as I find the grandstanding (guaranteed from Faison, not Hak) - This could very well turn out to be an awesome exercise for team building. If the party was awesome (had to be for this kinda fallout), if the penalties are stiff and shared, and if the ensuing punishment on the ice by the coaches is miserable, these boys will have gone a very long way toward having the shared commitment and experience to have the kind of team that can make a nice run.

Grow up already?? He is a 22 year old college kid. He is in the process of growing up.

Kristo's extra game and O'Donnell"s are for an unrelated violation of team rules. I have speculated that they skipped class or a mandatory study session. All anyone has on Kristo is speculation- why the hate?

Wow...in the real world people pay me for what I think...in cyberspace I am told what to think. I disagree with you. I do not find this embarrassing. I guarantee you that a party like this happens every year at every hockey program in the country. I find the overreaction, vitriol, and grandstanding embarrassing. As for Parise, he was cited for being in a bar underage- and I am sure he was there having a gatorade

I am someone who remembers drinking beer underage in college and high school. It is against the law, yes, but it is not an immoral act or even a let down to the team. NDSU is not even on my radar- it is an irrelevant University that people who went to real schools don't even consider. Should athletes be held to a ridiculously high standard? I don't think so. If all they were doing is drinking, and initiatiing, and being 18-23 year old college kids, who cares??? I get the brand spin and the University spin- they have to do wha tthey have to do, but if all this is is drinking during the pre-season, on a weekend, then I don't care at all.

These guys are not pros yet- in fact, the official start of the season has yet to begin. Remember that a Johnny Toews and a Zach Parise also got busted while at UND. GF police have very little to worry about compared to many major college towns i.e. Mpls, Boston- this is a joke. If you think these kids focus on nothing but hockey you are nuts. If you think pros focus on nothing but hockey all the time, you are nuts. You need to unwind, and you need to be part of the team. These incidents have happened for at least 30 years. This is a police department and an AD that are grandstanding. If you think that Danny Kristo having a sixer on a Saturday night in September impacts out chances of winning a title, you need your head examined

certainly that is paramount for Hak and Faison. I agree that Hak probably said- look guys keep it on the DL- they didn't I am curious what the heck Kristo and O'Donnell did?? I bet they got busted skipping class

So what did Kristo and O'Donnell do "unrelated to the team party"? I can't imagine these guys are doing anything outside the norm- this crackdown is ridiculous.

Agree Boys will be boys...minor in consumption in college...oh the humanity They might actually have premarital sex too! (Well maybe not Rocco)