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Don't forget, that Canadian was at least 35 years old if he were a day.

Well, I for one have no idea about the NDSU football team issue. They are not on my radar, I don't live in the area, and I don't follow "class B" football conferences and teams.

Plenty of heavy drinking under the Blais and Gaspirini eras. Especially in the off-season- which is what right now is. Was too young to know under Gino, but was first hand and 21 in the summer of 97. To think that this is any different than anything that happens at any other school is crazy. To think it is any different than anything that happened any other year is also crazy. I was also first hand with friends of mine who played for UND, UMD and for Minnesota. These were all great guys with strong commitments to the team, each other, and their hockey futures; they are guys that I would trust with my sister, and they liked to cut loose with the sauce on Saturday nights after the game and multiple nights of the week during the offseason- just like any other college kid. I want to be clear that I am fine with the punishments- As much as I tout boys will be boys, I also understand not letting the inmates run the asylum. I posted somewhere that this whole "journey" might be the exact team building aspect that we need. I am not cool with grandstanding, making examples of, speculating, getting on ridiculously prideful high horses, or making irrational statements or positions regarding UND's "standing in the world"- remember these are young men, not trying to hurt anybody... BU is different, because of the sexual assaults- that is something entirely different.

I actually thought the name calling was the first sign of losing an argument. My spelling and grammar critiques were in response to the name calling. Everyone needs to stop getting bent out of shape and start focusing on hockey.

Tired of this topic- I want to talk hockey

I could be a jerk and comment about "stupid" as it relates to spelling and the proper usage of too vs to, but I won't.

they certainly are in anything medical

Fully aware and understand- I just don't care- if you can't drink, don't. If you can- have fun. I don't care about the individually tragic outcome- Sorry, I just don't. I have no empathy for people who don't take care of themselves. Major disruptions on the team?? There is no evidence of this being the case. Lots of hockey from October to April- yes, and it is September right now. Excessive alcohol consumption? Again, no evidence- at least not public.

Multiple Choice Test Everyone who is so uptight about partying sounds like they: A. Didn't get invited to many parties B. Watched their date go home with more fun people after the party C. Married really unattractive women/men D. Live with their parents E. All of the above In all seriousness, everyone's entitled to their opinions- I just don't think this is a big deal. I am fine with Hak punishing guys for breaking team rules- his job.

In the old days, if the team party got out of hand and the coach heard about it, you knew what would happen: Herbies till you puke, maybe an extra day of no puck drills. As ridiculous as I find the grandstanding (guaranteed from Faison, not Hak) - This could very well turn out to be an awesome exercise for team building. If the party was awesome (had to be for this kinda fallout), if the penalties are stiff and shared, and if the ensuing punishment on the ice by the coaches is miserable, these boys will have gone a very long way toward having the shared commitment and experience to have the kind of team that can make a nice run.

Grow up already?? He is a 22 year old college kid. He is in the process of growing up.

Kristo's extra game and O'Donnell"s are for an unrelated violation of team rules. I have speculated that they skipped class or a mandatory study session. All anyone has on Kristo is speculation- why the hate?

Wow...in the real world people pay me for what I think...in cyberspace I am told what to think. I disagree with you. I do not find this embarrassing. I guarantee you that a party like this happens every year at every hockey program in the country. I find the overreaction, vitriol, and grandstanding embarrassing. As for Parise, he was cited for being in a bar underage- and I am sure he was there having a gatorade

I am someone who remembers drinking beer underage in college and high school. It is against the law, yes, but it is not an immoral act or even a let down to the team. NDSU is not even on my radar- it is an irrelevant University that people who went to real schools don't even consider. Should athletes be held to a ridiculously high standard? I don't think so. If all they were doing is drinking, and initiatiing, and being 18-23 year old college kids, who cares??? I get the brand spin and the University spin- they have to do wha tthey have to do, but if all this is is drinking during the pre-season, on a weekend, then I don't care at all.

These guys are not pros yet- in fact, the official start of the season has yet to begin. Remember that a Johnny Toews and a Zach Parise also got busted while at UND. GF police have very little to worry about compared to many major college towns i.e. Mpls, Boston- this is a joke. If you think these kids focus on nothing but hockey you are nuts. If you think pros focus on nothing but hockey all the time, you are nuts. You need to unwind, and you need to be part of the team. These incidents have happened for at least 30 years. This is a police department and an AD that are grandstanding. If you think that Danny Kristo having a sixer on a Saturday night in September impacts out chances of winning a title, you need your head examined

certainly that is paramount for Hak and Faison. I agree that Hak probably said- look guys keep it on the DL- they didn't I am curious what the heck Kristo and O'Donnell did?? I bet they got busted skipping class

So what did Kristo and O'Donnell do "unrelated to the team party"? I can't imagine these guys are doing anything outside the norm- this crackdown is ridiculous.

Agree Boys will be boys...minor in consumption in college...oh the humanity They might actually have premarital sex too! (Well maybe not Rocco)

You can tell him that...he is one thick necked bull...

Wasn't Budish's injury related to drunken Moped utilization too?

I believe Sanford has a higher level NICU and trauma center, so very sick newborn babies and traumatic injuries will be stabilized in GF and then transported to either Fargo, Sioux Falls, Minneapolis-St. Paul, or Rochester. While competition is generally a good thing, competition in healthcare generally increases costs in a number of ways. Hospitals for example have extraordinary fixed costs, when you duplicate those fixed costs by adding another facility, but you split the patient population between the facilities, you need more per patient in order for both to break even. Medicare payments are fixed, so the result is hospitals approaching insurance companies demanding greater reimbursement per unit in order to cover costs- the ensuing negotiation drives up the cost of health insurance, as 85% of your healthcare premium dollar in ND is a pass-through that is paid to hospitals, clinics, etc. Additionally, Medicare has something called the sole community provider rule, which helps subsidize single hospitals in communities to ensure their economic viability. Adding a second hospital to GF would've ended that status and effectively pulled many millions of federal dollars out of GF and shipped them to some other state. In many states, including MN, moratoriums on hospitals exist to prevent this increase in cost from occurring, MN lifted it for Maple Grove hospital to be built just a couple years ago as a result of tremendous population growth. Not for profit status does not mean charity. It simply means no stockholders and a mission that is something other than maximizing shareholder value. Healthcare jobs have always been some of the best out there- don't hate on people for working that. One big positive for Altru is that its leadership are all permanent fixtures, embedded in the community. That can not be said for many healthcare provider systems.

Any ideas why he didn't get picked up in the draft? Those are pretty big numbers to be overlooked

This is exactly my problem with the world- how many out of how many? You don't manage for outliers. There will always be individually tragic outcomes associated with virtually anything. This is the nanny state. If you walk and eat at the same time you might choke. It happens to 0.01% of the population, therefore, I will outlaw walking and eating and will punish you if I catch you walking and eating. It just baffles me how people go through life (not targeted at you 82) worrying about everybody else and focusing on the minutia.

I don't even know what to say...I am thrashing about, moving from hazing is part of sports to frustration with the nanny state of everything. Anybody ever seen Youngblood? Being hazed is part of getting accepted by the team. The ritual aspect of it goes way back to some of the most ancient peoples and cultures' rights of passage of being accepted by the tribe. Whatever happened to dealing with things by yourself? I know that Hak and Faison have to act a certain way or risk lawyers getting involved...what is happening to the world that I grew up in and love??

Now let's not go overboard with the hyperbole. Only the very elite make the NHL as 19 year olds. Bjugstad and Ness were pimped for graduating early, HOWEVER, that was because they started school late. They both were 18 year old freshmen in the WCHA. Toews and Simpson were both 17 when the puck dropped their freshmen years.