If you look at plus/minus, there were four players that were minus last season (full season stats/not including players no longer on the team) and this year there are eight (not including freshmen/transfers). Gaber -6, Frisch -7 and Kleven -8. Gaber is at least scoring but I don't think there's much question Frisch and Kleven are not playing at the same level they did last season.