SJHovey

I'm one of the people who don't know why Eades and UND parted ways. But candidly, I really don't want anyone to post the "reason" on this or any other public message board, for a couple of reasons. First, that "reason" may not be true, and if it isn't I really have no interest in besmirching Eades or UND with a false accusation. Second, even if the "reason" is true, it obviously hasn't been made public by Eades, or for that matter, the University. From Eades' standpoint, that's probably because he just prefers it that way. Why run someone's name through the mud, if in fact the "reason" is either embarassing or bad, especially someone with the connections to the school that Carey has, just because a bunch of message board posters want to speculate as to whether there is bad blood between the parties.

One of my media guides indicates that we beat them twice at home in December 1973. Ah, Dave beat me to it.

My guess is he's instagramming them to Hak every day, 'cause that's just how he rolls, apparently.

BSU is home and away. Wisconsin is away. The rest are at home.

That really is a terrific story. One of the nice things about the story is that Ambroz really didn't have a lot of connection with the New Prague hockey team, at least at the high school level. He left early to head to the USHL, as I recall, so if anything you might think there would be a tiny bit of unhappiness that the family pulled the kid out of what is generally a pretty unheralded MN high school hockey program. Instead, it's pretty obvious those associated with the school think pretty highly of the Ambroz family. I'm glad they got a chance to see their son play. Had to have been a pretty big thrill.

Brad has BSU, Lake St., Providence, Wisconsin and Niagara

The beauty of that simple math? They now have 7 championship game losses to our 5.

Lucia is 4 years older than Guentzel, almost to the day. I have no idea of Lucia's plans, but he doesn't strike me as someone looking to make the move into the NHL now, at age 55 (almost 56). NHL coaching is a young man's job. You don't see them hiring a lot of 56 year olds for a first time position. I don't see Lucia moving to another college program. So unless he just decides to cash it in early due to health or family issues, or unless he gets canned, he'll likely finish out his coaching career at MN. If you're Guentzel do you want to wait for that? I could see Guentzel taking the CC job, or maybe waiting to see if Sandelin or someone likes that gets the ax. I just don't see him ever coaching at MN has the head guy.

Well, since he's signed through 2019 he'd better have thought of an "unless CC offers me their job" out clause or he ain't going anywhere. http://www.masslive...._coach_ric.html

Why in the world would Rick Bennett go to CC? A clear step down, imho. Contrary to our "western world view" of hockey out here, not everyone in the hockey world thinks that upper echelon ECAC or Hockey East jobs are just stepping stones to the prime coaching positions out west. There are probably about 6-7 positions that Bennett might consider leaving Union for, and CC isn't one of them. Besides, I think a certain MN assistant coach is going to be a leading candidate for the CC position.

What's funny is when I saw the gopher fans in the stands with the .6 shirts on, I immediately thought of Eddie Gaedel, the "little person" who got one major league at bat as a publicity stunt, and Eddie's 1/8 jersey. http://www.baseball-...o_gallery.shtml But, however they want to roll is fine with me. Those shirts would really look good if they wore them with hockey helmets too.

I don't really get the .6 as a shot against us, or as something to taunt us with. It's essentially an overtime loss. We were .6 away from what? Playing more hockey, that's what. Once we got to the last couple of minutes of that game, and certainly once we would have reached overtime, we were in a sudden death situation. Next goal wins. Whether it came with .6 seconds left in regulation or 10:08 left in overtime, doesn't really matter. One isn't more significant or heartwrenching than the other. Now, had we been ahead, with a chance to go to the title game, and they tied it with .06 left, that would have sucked. That's why I think the UNH loss from '09 is way worse than this one. We had that game. This one is just like the BC loss in '01 or any other OT loss in the NCAAs. Game over, season over. But what's strange is the psychological response. Because we still had a chance to win against UNH in OT, that one doesn't seem to feel as bad, even though it should be much harder to take.

You know what I like best about the rioting story. The cops were shooting them with GREEN paintballs. Excellent!

Two comments. Because I'm not going to go back and read this entire thread, I apologize if I repeat what anyone else has posted. First, don't get caught up in the "agony" of the .6 second thing. That fact is significant only to those broadcasting sports hightlights or writing stories about the game, who have a need for created drama. The exact same play could have happened with two minutes left, or 10 minutes into OT and it wouldn't have made the loss any less painful. That's hockey. A blocked shot, lucky (or unlucky) bounce, puck ends up in the back of the net. Trust me, this loss doesn't feel worse than losing to BC in OT in '01, losing to Wisconsin the the WCHA's in '83 (again, shorthanded) in 3 OT, when a win would have probably resulted in back to back NCAA titles. Second, this doesn't only happen to us. Everyone has forgotten Minnesota's 23 years in the wilderness, getting their hearts ripped out year after year? BC losing in the Frozen Four in OT in successive years, followed by losing a 3rd period lead to us in '00? Fans of this program need to stop claiming they're Job. The team played great. The coaching staff came up with a plan to put a ton of shots on Wilcox against a team that has been the best defensively all year long. A plan to shut down a very fast and talented offensive team. It worked to a T. But sometimes you don't win those games. Here is what I'm going to take away from this game. For me this was a reminder of how great the old WCHA was, and what a privilege it was to watch those games for more years than I dare count. It's like finding a long lost picture of an old hunting dog. One last wonderful glimpse of something you loved, but is now just a bunch of great memories. That's how I'm going to remember this game.

Here are some lines as well. http://www.sportbet..../hockey_college

Thanks Jim. I should have been able to figure that out.

Jim, does the possibility of a tie by UND in the third place game change any of these possibilities? When playing around with USCHO's pwr predictor there were some instances where a UND-DU tie in the third place game still got us in.

I would think it's unlikely, notwithstanding the conspiracy theorists. If UND sneaks in as an at-large bid (wins one of two games and has the other games break right) we'll likely be the #14 team. I don't think they'll do that to MN. They'll give MN the AHA team, or possibly even the NCHC champion. If we get in as the NCHC champ, we'll probably be somewhere between the #10 and #13 team, so again, a first round matchup with the number one seeded MN won't occur. Might find ourselves playing someone like Wisconsin though, with a MN matchup looming in the second round.

A quick run of the Pairwise predictor shows that a loss to Miami would be pretty damaging. Would likely take a Michigan or Mankato loss in their first game, followed by a win by UND in the consolation game, and no other upsets getting autobids.

I think he just posted under his name, John C. Notermann. I don't think he's posted over there for years. He dropped by occasionally after Jason graduated, but I think he realized he had better things to do than debate with MN fans. I haven't seen him for quite awhile. I think I last saw him 6-7 years ago at Tom Reid's during the Final 5.

I'm sure that no one, including those of us posting in this thread, want to see UND win a national championship more that Dave himself. People have referenced Doug Woog. He went what, 14-15 years at Minnesota. Never won a championship. Had some great teams. Some heartbreaking losses in the NCAAs. We can mock him, but the guy is a beloved figure in U of M hockey, even without the championships. And that's because people remember the great teams. The joy of winning, of having a top program, of competing for national titles if not actually winning them. That's what I try to do. We all want to see UND be champion again. But I also get great joy out of seeing top notch hockey. I had a great time at each of the Frozen Fours that we've lost under Hakstol. The Final 5's are the highlight of my spring each year. When the program stops competing. When we don't get to Minneapolis/St. Paul for the conference tournament. When we're posting sub-.500 records. When we don't get into the NCAAs playing at a high level. Then, that's the time to start the discussion about going a different direction. In my opinion, not before.

We went 17 years between #2 and #3, and we were really crappy during a great portion of that time. Like Anchorage kind of crappy. Heck we went 10 years between #5 and #6. The 13 year "drought" we're on now isn't that terrible. In fact, since we've won 7 titles in something like 65 years of UND hockey, our average "drought" is 9+ years anyway. We'll just have to disagree about 9 other coaches having more success.

Why does there have to be an "excuse"? We just got beat. Sometimes we may have been the better team. Sometimes we weren't? Either way, the other team scored more goals. Why did we not win in '98? We had the great Dean Blais, who knew how to get players to play big in big games. We had the exact same team we had in '97 when UND won the whole thing, except now the team had another year of experience, including championship game experience? And how about '99? Still the same team, but this year they were upperclassmen. You get those answers for me, then I'll give you your "excuse" as to why Hakstol hasn't won in his trips to the Frozen Four. I also guarantee you a very fine career as a consultant for college hockey coaches.

First, I don't think that "everyone" has an issue with Hakstol's teams. In fact, I don't even think it's a majority. That said, what I have tried to convey in my posts is that during the past 9 seasons, covering Hakstol's tenure as UND head coach, precisely one NCAA Division I hockey coach has had more success than Dave. We can sit here and bemoan the fact that we haven't had BC's success during this past decade. But when you sit and think that there is one, and only one hockey coach who has been even arguably more successful during this same timeframe, I think it's kind of silly that there are enough UND fans unhappy enough to keep this argument going. Just my two cents.

UND has won 13 NCAA tournament games under Hakstol. No one other than BC has more than 8 NCAA tournament victories in that time.