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Dave, still waiting for that list of prestigious schools without athletics that you keep touting but fail to identify. As for your other point, going to a school doesn't equal to being a fan. But athletic departments enhance the overall college experience. I've been to many games where I have no rooting interest in either team but go just because I enjoy sports. I know you wouldn't understand that concept, but athletic departmenta are a net gain for colleges.

I asked you to name these top colleges in country without athletic departments and you still haven't. Please list your examples. Athletics are part of the college experience as a whole. Maybe it is something you need to experience to understand. Makes understanding your logic a lot easier.

. Well the defense get an advantage from smaller jerseys becasue when they are baggy, the offensive lineman can and do grab a handful of jersey while blocking and it is tough to detect. It isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of functionality. Also, you are bad an analogies.

For the defense it was. Much easier to grab a handful of jersey as a player went by/through the line.

You forget, it all revolves around selfish Dave. There is no other explanation for his insistence that UND be the Fighting Sioux or the whole athletic department be shut down. This is despite the fact that they have been known as other things in the past. This goes beyond cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I'm glad we can agree on you being selfish. Studies continue to show that strong athletic programs lead to strong universities. Harming the athletic department and putting it on sanctions does not allow it to compete at the highest level it is capable of. That does not reflect well on the University of North Dakota. People advocating for the change care about the University itself, not the jersey's the teams wear or what name is above their score on the scoreboard. Unfortunately that is beyond your selfish needs/wants. Really? Looking through top 50 schools, I didn't see one that doesn't participate in not only sports, but they all appear to sponsor sports in the NCAA at some level. US News Rankings Feel free to double check and ponit out if I missed one, but your point is absolutely incorrect.

Here's the issue: You claim you have priorities/values and values, but in reality, all you are saying is that it is all about DaveK and nothing else. You've made that abundantly clear. It is not what is best for the University of North Dakota, its athletic department or student-athletes. It is about what you want, no matter how selfish that may be (and it is incredibly selfish). The rest of us are looking out for what is best for everyone involved. Sometimes in life you make decisions you don't want to because it is for the greater good. It is unfortunate and very sad that you are so selfish and only concerned about what you want and what you like that you won't allow yourself to see (or care about) the damage your selfishness will cause. The vested interest you claim to have is nothing more than your own selfish interest. It has nothing to do with anything but what you want. I don't hold anyone to a different set of standard than myself. I don't want to lose the nickname/logo, but I would rather lose that than watch the University of North Dakota athletic department be put at a disadvantage and slowly dwindle away. You and your selfishness on the other hand would purposely put UND at a disadvantage just so you can see them wear a certain jersey and be announced a certain way before games, regardless of the known and yet to be known consequences that come with that. That again shows where your priorities lie, whatever is best for yourself.

Yep. I'm voting yes, you're voting no. I'm pro-UND, you're anti-UND. Got it! The sad thing is, I respect and care about the nickname, you can't say the same about UND.

I suppose you would rather have bright "scream yellow" jerseys instead.

You don't get what I'm saying, so let me try to dumb it down for you... I do comprehend the difference between the people who want to keep nickname/logo because they think it is important and the people who want to keep the nickname/logo because it will hurt UND. However, and this is the part that seems to be going over your head, I don't care. To me, it doesn't matter what your reason is for wanting to keep the nickname/logo, it only matters that you want to keep it. The people who want to keep the nickname/logo because they think it is important and the people who want to keep the nickname/logo because it will hurt UND want the same thing. Who cares if they want it for different reasons? The fact of the matter is that they want what I very much do not want, so essentially they are the same to me. See how that can work?

You're right. They wouldn't even think about bring up UND while celebrating their national champio....errr, never mind.

One, the mess to be over and no longer have to hear about it. Two, stop the wasting of tax dollars. Three and more importantly, voting no just empowers the legistlatures control over the SBoHE and that is not good for anyone, especially UND and NDSU. Voting no isn't watching others dig their own grave, it is joining in.

But NDSU has been better since 1963. Because that is when Bison football started.

Must have at least crossed his mind otherwise I doubt he'd come all the way up here for the spring game.

I know that this is more than you can comprehend, but there are more than the two sides you can see. I won't bother explaining it to you because it has already be done over and over and over again and whether it is by choice or chance, you just don't get it. I just want your assurance when the right thing is done to protect the University that you uphold your promise and not be a fan anymore. Find a new logo/nickname you like since that is what is of most importance to you.

Just a few more questions... Are you a police officer, judge or lawyer? Or are you just going to go with the trued and tried citizen arrest? And are you going to be trying to charge the NCAA administration or every University president in the NCAA who voted and put in place the policy that the administration is enforcing? Do we need to warn Kelley, Faison, Hakstol, Mussman, Kleinsasser, Lennon, O'Keefe, etc. to watch out because they are going to be in trouble? Thanks in advance.

Close but not quite. I support the college regardless of the nickname. Unlike you I will always support the college. You apparently can only support what is secondary in the equation, the nickname. Unfortunately for you, one can survive without the other and you aren't going to like the answer to that one.

Did I miss something? I don't recall any crime let alone a hate crime being committed. It is unfortunate how you can't see how ridiculous you make yourself look with statements like that.

Well you aren't 50, my guess is closer to 20 so why did you pick the last 50 years other than someone had already done the math. Do you need someone to do the math on the series record during your lifetime for you? (hint, you aren't going to like it) Also, I'm not insinuating that NDSU's national championships aren't impressive, they are. But the fact that the time frame for games against UND always needs to be edited is always amusing.

Why is it that NDSU fans are so proud of their history, but when it comes to records against UND, the timeframe is always limited? Are you proud of your history or only part of it? Seems like a lot of cherry picking. Also, I see you decided to parrot your whole response from what other people taught you on bisonville the last day or two.

I would agree with you. But would it have anywhere close to the significance and meaning that it does to anyone on this site if it wasn't related to the University of North Dakota? The answer is no, not even close. There are many pieces of art work/drawings/paintings/etc that are equally as strong and proud as Ben Brien's, but the feelings on his are so strong because of what it is tied to. And that is what is important, what made Brien's artwork so popular, the University of North Dakota. The fact that some can't see past that is absolutely bewildering and borderline ridiculous.

Fully aware, just wanted to see what random direction he went with.

Just curious where the University of North Dakota fits into your equation? You seem to never be concerned on what may happen to them. Can't be coincidence that you fail to mention what will happen to the school...

Figures. Wouldn't expect someone like you to keep your word. Keep grasping at straws, it is over.