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2 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:
This is way over the line. A lot of hockey players have working-class backgrounds and their parents sacrificed a lot of things so they could play hockey. Are some of them spoiled? Probably. Are all or even most of them? I don't believe so. Our program has had athletes of good character as long as I have followed it.
I'm not saying that UND doesn't have mostly high character kids (now that Miller is gone)....but don't think for a second that there are many kids from blue collar families suiting up for the team today. That is just naive. Even at the lower levels hockey is now a sport that poor kids can't touch. To hit the elite levels and play in all of the extra camps and leagues that every UND player played in, you don't have alot that came from families where both parents were slugging away for $30-40k a year.
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1 hour ago, tnt said:
For one, I would like to know if JBD would be taking a knee if the Canadian National Anthem was played as well.
This.
Although we all know that racism doesn't exist in Canada (cough cough), I doubt he would do this before a WJC game being hosted in Canada.
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9 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:
The world is full of information, messages, and stimuli - conflicting values - some of which are unpleasant, and most of which are completely sub-conscious or conveniently ignored.
Look around you. Shirts, brands, imported cars, bumper stickers, billboards, political signs left in a yard long past an election, certain businesses (Chick-fil-A and Hobby Lobby come to mind)...you can't walk in a store or drive down a street without being bombarded with potentially controversial information. Some is self-defined, some requires context, some requires you to have had past experiences.
If you think that you can sit in close confines with thousands of people for a couple of hours and be entirely free of "political statements," you're delusional.
Tips for the offended
- Ignore the behavior. Look away. Focus on the flag. Close your eyes.
- Find a reason not to be in your seat.
- Don't donate.
- Don't go.
- Don't patronize (or give repeat business to) sponsors or companies who espouse values contrary to your own, or who hire people that do.
If you do nothing else, you might want to take a moment and contemplate whether there is something greater at stake here, or whether the people engaged in the offensive conduct might have a different viewpoint, and figure out the true source of your 'offense.'
1) Insist that people don't ignore your views but that you shouldn't have to listen to theirs? Nope.
2-5 already happening with pro sports. People have described UND hockey as basically a pro sport. Be careful what you wish for.
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Just now, UNDBIZ said:
Kneeled? When?
Was reference to NDSU. Maybe I misunderstood you were referencing a different school. But in NDSUs example, players represent the team, players choose to engage in activity that people aren't happy with, donors aren't obligated to donate if activity makes them unhappy, football team gets punished with less money.
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1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:
Why punish the football team?
Because the football team did it?
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7 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:This would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.
Three posts in less than 12 hours complaining about the manner of expression but offering literally NOTHING in the way of suggestions. What types of constructive and non-offensive acts would you have these young men do?
If you're going to tell people to change and not do X, at least have the common courtesy to offer something up. Especially when X is not harming you, other than offending your own personal and moral (i.e., not legal) sense of "right and wrong."
You still don't get it. If they want to lecture people on civil rights start a podcast. People don't listen to political analysts hoping to hear the score of last night's Rangers Islanders game......just like people don't watch a hockey game hoping to catch up on the political climate.
It's not that tough of a concept.
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4 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:And? What's so terrible about letting the significance and importance of speech and expression be up to the individual engaging in it, and not everyone else? It's one of the quintessential notions of the American ideal.
Many of the people we now celebrate were chastised by the masses.
The problem is when it's presented via trojan horse. If someone calls me into their home to install a new furnace, their expectation is that.....I will install a new furnace for them. If instead I come into their house and spend the entire install time making political statements, should they have expected that? No. The only reason they wanted my services is for a furnace, not for political lecturing.
People go to hockey games to escape, not to have political statements thrown at them.
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I think the biggest issue that the "offended" crowd has is the way it is being pushed through every avenue. You expect to see it on TV news/opinion shows, you expect to see it on the internet on various news and commentary sites, you expect to hear it in coffee shops or even on a college campus. People get overloaded and just want that 2-3 hour break from it at a sporting event, at the movies, at a concert, or on a couple of TV shows. Apparently now even at a niche sporting event like college hockey that is no longer possible.
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6 minutes ago, BIGSIOUX said:
You are what you despise the most.
A Snowflake.
Carry on.
Name calling got left in the dumpster thread. But thanks for trying.
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As to JBD, he's not even a US citizen so kneeling for the US anthem doesn't really put him out on a limb. Similar to what Matt Dumba did at the start of the NHL pod, a Canadian player takes a knee for the US anthem, but I don't recall seeing him do it during a Canadian national anthem. I guess coming from a country with a leader that has been seen in full black face isn't a problem.
And for the moderators that are probably starting to get twitchy fingers, 2 players changed the trajectory of this thread as did Schlossman, it wasn't any one person on this thread. If Schlossman is reading this STICK TO HOCKEY! That's the only reason people follow you.
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I'm a big fan of consistency. If social justice was so important to them I do wonder where their public protests were when Mitchell Miller along with his racist antics past was on campus practicing shoulder to shoulder with them. But like many things I suppose that has been rationalized to be different somehow.
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13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
If one identifies as an obese lesbian minority does that move one to the front of the Covid vaccine line?
Yes unless they are members of a gym or participate in sports. Those people need to stay at home just a little bit longer for the greater good.
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1 hour ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:
This whole discussion is curious.
Is there really a correlation between risk and DESIRE for the vaccine?
I suspect that a whole lot of folks who might qualify for some 'priority' status will simply pass, and low priority people will still enjoy access...if they want it. If the latter does not come to fruition, I would be leery that that characterizations by providers of 'high demand among higher risk populations' as the reason are a smoke screen for decreased availability across the board due to supply issues.
All that to say, you come across as quite the judgmental sort when it comes to your fellow man. Hope you're not a "Christian."
And for the record, in this case I want all of the smokers, obese, and people in general that have neglected their health to get first crack at the vaccine so their poor decisions can stop having so much impact on the rest of the US.
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1 hour ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:
This whole discussion is curious.
Is there really a correlation between risk and DESIRE for the vaccine?
I suspect that a whole lot of folks who might qualify for some 'priority' status will simply pass, and low priority people will still enjoy access...if they want it. If the latter does not come to fruition, I would be leery that that characterizations by providers of 'high demand among higher risk populations' as the reason are a smoke screen for decreased availability across the board due to supply issues.
All that to say, you come across as quite the judgmental sort when it comes to your fellow man. Hope you're not a "Christian."
I've been getting judged since March everytime I've given any type of dissenting voice against the Covid is gonna kill us all crowd. A little turnabout is fair play.
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12 minutes ago, ToDaClub said:
So people who smoke would move up the priority list also?
Asking for a friend.
If I understand what you are saying, it's already happened. I'm not saying that just because someone smokes means they deserve to die of Covid. What I am saying is that smoking is a choice. In most cases obesity is also a choice. The hazards of those choices are well known. People that live a more moderate lifestyle are already financially getting hammered because of those poor choices made by others (increased insurance/cost of medical care, etc) even though they chose to live a healthier lifestyle by not smoking and by not eating bag after bag of Doritos.
So when the very thing that the obese and smokers were warned about comes home to roost, some people's solution is to punish those that made the smart decisions to stay healthy in an effort to bail out the smokestacks and porkers?
Ask around to anyone working in hospitals at the moment, with very few exceptions the people filling up beds are the very old (can't do much about age) and the obese.
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19 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:
What?????
It wasn't on purpose, but he proved that the cumbaya taking a softer stance and being more passive than presidents before him made no difference in how most in the Middle East hate the US. So if the a**-kissing approach doesn't work, might as well stick with the tried and true hammer approach. One less guy in Iran now versus a week ago that has high level nuclear weapons ability. That is a positive.
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15 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
T's adviser Jared Kushner will travel to the Middle East amid heightened tensions (assassination Iranian Nuke scientist).
Will Biden have amatures?
Jared Kushner heads to Middle East amid tensions over Iranian nuclear scientist's killing (msn.com)This is one area where Obama deserves credit. He made a point of peddling apologies throughout the Middle East during his time, yet those countries mostly all still hated the US. Obama proved that the traditional argument of (they only hate the US because the US intervenes) was hogwash. Since the hatred by those ME countries is a given, God bless those who keep the US safe by keeping terrorist turds in the Middle East litterbox.
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11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
#wait2weeks
Flatten the curve was soooooo March/April of 2020.....we are in a new era of zero deaths in case you haven't heard.
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10 minutes ago, homer said:
And positivity rate down at 8%. Lowest in sometime. Great trend
Just think of how much lower we could drive that number if bars and restaurants closed at 8pm? If youth sporting events were called off until Jan 14 instead of Dec 14? C'mon people, let's not stop now. Let's drive this down to zero old people dying in nursing homes dying with Covid.....let's get back to the good old days of people just dying in nursing homes.
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1 hour ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
Could be.
I think some of posters on here think he is going to try and run the country like a dictator. Far from the truth, that page turns on Jan 20.
He will have strong people in the cabinet and bring back respect to the WH.
He'll be more a hands off manager, sure the executive orders will have to be his.
Harris will be the strongest VP in American history, a great coach and hands Biden all 8x11's that need to be signed.
Biden will be in good hands, and with access to Walter Reed! Keep on ticking America.Depends on what one defines as respect. Will Biden be a kindler gentler President that is nice when he speaks? Absolutely. Does the US gain alot of respect by having a frail old senile man that even most supporters admit is nothing more than a puppet for Harris in office? I'm not so sure.
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4 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
Maybe our future P is pretty frail?
Did someone see it happen or did his Life Alert get activated after he had fallen?
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So people that don't take their health seriously for years get to have priority over those that do. Perfect. #MASKS FOREVER #SAVEONELIFE
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27 minutes ago, Old Fella said:
US covid sgges o far today.
64,000 new cases/994 deaths. Once again well on the way to over 100,000 new cases and 2,000 deaths. Our country cannot sustain these daily #'s
Unless there are some significant behaverable changes we will not have to worry about a lock down. It will take care of itself. Bars, resturants, grocery etc.
will find in nearly impossible to find workers. Our hospitals, now near or at capcity will be unable to serve all.
It is now esstimated there will be 50 million new cases by February
Impossible to find workers? Nice try. The vast majority of people that are dying are in the been done with work for years/end of life category. Stop with the scare tactics.
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50 minutes ago, Old Fella said:
Stated previously I oppose a complete lock down. That does not mean we abandon all common sense measures to limit the spread of the virus.
Yes but the main problem is that there is such a difference in what some people see as common sense out there. For some, healthy kids being kicked online for school while 75 year old Thema and Harriet still get to go to Perkins each morning makes sense.
UND hockey team anthem kneeling
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It's amazing the number of people that think freedom of speech means freedom from consequences. Due to the current political climate it would never happen, but JBD and Weatherby do have the freedom to do what they want during the national anthem......but since they are representing UND, Brad Berry would also have the freedom to bench them for a game because of it.