siouxkid12
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3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
I know and you are 1000% correct; that was embarrassing. But I also think St. Thomas is a much more attractive school overall.
For a school that pissed and moaned to get into the NCHC, they should be one of the biggest supporters.
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Just now, fightingsioux4life said:
St. Thomas is 10x the school St. Cloud is.
I'm speaking about the fans. It's unbelievable that they couldn't get in their cars for the 77 mile trip to support their team
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14 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
They'll have their growing pains at first. But with their large and engaged alumni base, they should have no problem getting people to go to the games. Their talent should increase exponentially, as they are a Division I institution now and will attract better athletes and better players. They'll be a tough team to play on the ice in a couple of years.
St. Thomas would get the NCHC into the Twin Cities area television market. Their academic profile and reputation would be a great addition to the NCHC. Their alumni base has the resources to make St. Thomas very competitive at the Division I level in all sports (it is only a matter of time before their FB team is invited to the MVFC). There are very few negatives with adding St. Thomas to the NCHC and I really hope the conference does not get hung up on having an odd number of teams (9) as an excuse not to invite them.
Opportunities like this don't come up often and the NCHC needs to jump all over this.
If they add St. Thomas you might as well go for Mankato
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36 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
I’m in agreement with you - I’m curious to see what their team looks like and how the attendance is.
can't be any worse than St. Cloud
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33 minutes ago, SiouxScore said:
I really wish they would go back to Nike but don't see that happening as I believe the school Adidas uniform deal goes through 24.
Exactly! Adidas is getting out of the NHL deal because it costs them a lot of money with very little in return.
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28 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:
*Used.
Adidas will not be producing hockey jerseys at all.
Fanatics will use that factory untill they have the processes down an then relocate to Shenzen.
Adidas never actually produced jerseys anyway, they just slapped their logo on it (which is a very common practice in the hockey jersey industry). I believe the actual manufacturer of the Adidas jerseys was SP, which in turn will create the new Fanatics jersey at their factory in Canada.
A lot of jersey collectors want the jerseys that are made in Canada as they are the official on-ice ones. Jerseys made in Indonesia or elsewhere are just the cheaply made (fabric is terrible) ones that most fans buy off the rack. The made in Canada ones are rarely sold to the general public as one needs to have a huge order/demand for them, UND is fortunate to have that demand though.
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2 hours ago, cberkas said:
Adidas is just getting out of supplying jerseys for the NHL, they still could supply to other leagues that uses them. Fanatics will be using the same factory that Adidas uses in Canada to make their on-ice jerseys.
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Just now, cowboys5xsbs said:
Do we have any goalies on the roster for next year
Johnson and possibly Hedquist now...we will be back in the portal pool
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Hellsten is gone...
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Got an authentic size 56 green North Dakota but not sure I’m wanna get rid of it.
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57 minutes ago, brianvf said:
Haha, yes.
The rest of my post still stands.Michigan won their first 6 titles before UND won their first in 1959.
So, since 1959, Michigan has won 3 titles and UND has won 8.
And, if we're looking at consistency...
UND's longest stretches without making the NCAA tourney was 10 years (69-78) and 6 years (91-96).
Michigan's longest stretches without making the NCAA's was 12 years (65-76) and 14 years (78-90).So...once again, if we’re comparing these two programs over the last 10/20/30/40 years, I’d take UND every time.
Again, you are moving the goalpost to fit your narrative. You asked how many of those numbers were done before UND had a program going and the answer is zero. Now you move the goal post to say how many were won before UND won their title?
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47 minutes ago, brianvf said:
If you’re looking at those stats, you should factor in how many of those above Michigan numbers were before UND even had a program going. All of Michigan’s stats are inflated due to their early success when the number of programs competing were very small.
If we’re comparing these two programs over the last 10/20/30/40 years, I’d take UND every time.Michigan won their first title in '48, UND was varsity program in '46.
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25 minutes ago, Dustin said:
Ok, maybe you've convinced me. Maybe not. If being really dominant for a couple of eras with a huge gap between eras is what you like, I definitely see your point. I am not going to argue that Michigan isn't one of college hockey's top-tier programs.
My approach is to the argument is similar to yours, but slightly more inclusive of other successes. I also weigh time between titles, championship game appearances, conference titles (both regular and tournament) as marks of consistent success.
The most puzzling part of your argument, to me, was: "Michigan may not have won an NCAA title but they have been pretty damn consistent since winning theirs." Let's see. Since 1998:
National Championships: UND 2, Michigan 0
National Championship game appearances: UND 4, Michigan 1
Frozen Fours: UND 10, Michigan 7
NCAA appearances: UND 20, Michigan 18
Conference Regular Season titles: UND 10, Michigan 6
Conference Tournament titles: Michigan 8, UND 6
Both teams have been very consistent, no doubt. I still like UND's resume better. But that's just me.
Now we are getting somewhere. When you originally stated your question, you had no boundaries or anything, you just asked historically which program has been better. I did say they were consistent since winning one in 1998 but I wasn't arguing that they were better than UND since then, I actually said Denver and Duluth were.
If the cutoff is 1998-present, yes UND has been more than "slightly" better than Michigan. But again my response was to yours saying which programs have been Historically better. -
9 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
I think I speak for everyone here in that NO ONE is hoping for a loss to St Cloud on Friday or a big W followed by a loss to DU or CC so that they can revel in pointing at Berry and saying, “HA HA” like Nelson from “The Simpsons.” The season is what it is at this point and hopefully the life-support machine can be removed on Saturday night as the team breathes on its own again with a 1 in 16 shot to win a national championship.
100% agree.
What irritates me is the "fans" who say "its just a game" or "they are just kids". No, its not just a game and they are not just kids. Fan's (like us) pay a lot of money to support this program and when it isn't living up to the standards set forth before them, we will call it out. It is even more frustrating when the media doesn't hold the leaders to the same standards.-
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6 minutes ago, Dustin said:
Sure, but still interesting to me you'd advocate for Michigan. Maybe if it were 1956 when Michigan had 6 titles and UND had none (nor even played for one.)
You're cherry picking again.
NCAA tournament appearances: UND 34 MICH 40Frozen Four: UND 22 MICH 26
NCAA Championships: UND 8 MICH 9
Overall Michigan has been better.
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2 minutes ago, Dustin said:
Considering they were not on the list he tweeted, that's a hard "NO" in my opinion. Losing season as recently as 2018-19.
being 18-17-2 and losing in the NCHC first round in 18-19 doesn't really "scream" winning season.
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5 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:
Yea, if we were in the business of producing Olympic athletes, we’d have disbanded the men’s hockey team a decade ago and invested those funds into…
…WOMEN’S HOCKEY!
haha ouch....
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3 minutes ago, Dustin said:
So, since 1998, you'd choose Michigan's success over UND's?? Just trying to see where you're coming from here.
Here is your quote "Historically, stack UND up against literally any other college hockey program, no matter which metric you pick, UND will likely be better". Stop moving the goal post to fit whatever you want it to fit. If we are talking recently, then I'd say Denver and Duluth but HISTORICALLY (like you stated) Michigan and Denver are slightly above us.
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4 minutes ago, Dustin said:
Because they have more natties? How would you like a title drought of 35 years (Denver) or 32 years (Michigan)? Not exactly the gold standard of consistency.
They might not have won one recently but they have been pretty darn consistent. You're also going to say that Denver isn't consistent? they've won 4 titles in the past 20 years (and have the potential to add a 5th).
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3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Michigan hasn't won an NCAA title since 1998. But Denver is a textbook example of what we used to represent and no longer do.
Michigan may not have won an NCAA title but they have been pretty damn consistent since winning theirs.
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4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Nick Saban wouldn't have his job for long if the Crimson Tide started settling for "winning seasons".
not with the amount of money that coaches are being paid. UND isn't paying Berry to just have a "winning season" and produce Olympic Athletes and NHL players.
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1 minute ago, Dustin said:
Basically everyone wants it all - winning seasons, home playoff games, conference championships, national championships. Every year. While on paper it seems all that should be achievable perpetually, reality doesn't work like paper. That's what makes sports fun - play the game and see what happens. Historically, stack UND up against literally any other college hockey program, no matter which metric you pick, UND will likely be better.
Michigan, Denver are two programs that are better than us.
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8 minutes ago, AJS said:
The truth is, I'm actually in the camp where I don't feel this program is in as bad of a place as some. Recruiting has been solid and the pipeline looks good. As for the shot. My frustration has been with the media has been with what I call the spin. You'll never see any push back or criticism. Never any tough questions. It's so weak. On the flip side the little bit of criticism we saw from the TV crew, we saw the reaction, so maybe I understand why you don't see it.
I'm going to excuse myself from this conversation. I'm very excited for Friday night and going to keep it positive as I would love nothing more than this team to go on a run that wipes out the negativity this year has caused. It can still happen!
I would agree with you on the media. Brad and company never push the buttons like they should, its just status quo all the time. When Tim, Jake or Alex start criticizing (just a little bit) the "real fans" lose their mind.
What I do not agree with you is in the shape of the program. Last few years we have been relying on transfer players and we have not had a legit goalie to help us and it doesn't look like we will for a little bit either.-
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12 hours ago, Goon said:
I’ll throw this tweet here. good night.
we are 10-10-4 in conference play, let not get too excited with having a "winning season". You think blue chip programs in other sports are happy with having just a "winning season"
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The Frozen Faceoff…may it rest in peace
in Men's Hockey
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It's not like Miami of Ohio is making the league strong (8-24-4).
Rico is only in his second year and needs another year or two to fully implement his system with his own guys.
Let's also no forget that Augustana is going to have a D1 program here soon. Might not be the prettiest team to start out but I believe they are showing the hockey world they want to compete right away. They even have their own NIL marketplace for their student athletes.
If the NCHC truly wants to this tournament to continue they need to start looking at local teams. This notion that fans from Western MI, and Miami are going to come to St. Paul (even if their teams don't make it) to watch the conference tournament is a pipedream.