Bison06

You may be right on the reason he was out. I was just trying to understand your meaning behind saying “you can’t make it up”.

Do you say this to mean that EWU was at some sort of disadvantage due to this injury?

http://www.ncaa.org/2018-19-ncaa-banned-drugs-list As far as I’ve heard, all we know is he used a banned stimulant without permission. Lots of these listed are used by the majority of college kids these days as study aids and are perfectly legal to the ncaa with the proper paperwork from my understanding. As far as we know, his only crime may be not getting the proper paperwork filed. Obviously, it could also be a more serious situation too, but who knows.

As much as SDSU has challenged NDSU in recent years, it hasn’t risen to the level of excitement that UND week used to in the media and around the campuses(unless things have dramatically changed in recent years, which is entirely possible. I haven’t lived in Fargo for many years.) I can’t speak for any other Bison fans, but I have always and will always consider UND to be NDSU’s primary rival. Mostly because it starts so much earlier for North Dakota kids. When I was in high school there would be kids arguing between the two programs about which was better and it really ramped up the week of the game. I can’t say for sure, but I highly doubt two kids walking the halls of any ND high school are arguing over NDSU vs SDSU. The “civil war” mentality will always be there with UND and NDSU for North Dakota kids.

I’m not saying your wrong, teams rise and fall every year. But NDSU lost a longer tenured head coach in Bohl and a longer tenured OC in Vigen after the 2013 year and didn’t skip a beat. All while having to replace, who at the time, was the winningest quarterback in the history of FCS/IAA football. Given that stick would break that record with a win next weekend, it’s reallt uncanny how similar the situations will be for NDSU. Impossible to predict how it will play out with the new staff, just stating that NDSU survived the last major shakeup they went through and it’s just as likely that they roll through this one as it is the program takes a major step back.

I would say no, but what is also interesting as I looked into it is it’s extremely rare that a team that is truly an FCS/I-aa power moves up to FBS. In looking through it there only appears to be 4 in this history of FCS/I-aa. Marshall, Boise, Georgia southern and App state. The rest of the move ups have had very short lived success or not much at all. You could maybe add UMASS and Western Kentucky to the list, but I don’t think their success was long sustained in FCS.

I actually wondered about that too. It certainly would change things in my brain if I was an 18 year old recruit. It’s also the reason that, as a fan, I would only want NDSU to move up to FBS if they were in a P5 conference. Which is highly unlikely/never going to happen.

Those are both good examples that I would agree bolster your argument that a top FCS team would struggle. Interestingly, it seems that both App State and Georgia Southern did better initially following the transition up than they have the longer they’ve been in FBS. So it seems somehow the increased scholarships and more time in FBS have actually been a detriment to their success. Odd. I wonder if somehow they were actually more able to recruit better players at the top of FCS than they are at the bottom of FBS. Who knows, but it is interesting.

Hold on... He brought up App State(one team, not many, and if they aren’t struggling in FBS)as some sort of coup that proved FCS powers couldn’t compete in P5, since they aren’t in a P5 conference, I asked him why he chose them vs Boise state. Boise state is equivalent to App state and neither of them are P5. As you agreed there are no examples of P5 teams that were once FCS powers so we are left to the realm of speculation, which is what we are all doing in this discussion. All that said, we could arguing nuances of this hypothetical situation all day, but I’m more interested in your take on both the OP’s original point that NDSU would go 8-5 in the SEC, which I wholeheartedly disagree with and also what you think about the idea that a top FCS team could go .500 in the SEC? So what do you think?

He brought up App state, also not P5. There are no examples of recent FCS powers who are now in P5 conferences so the discussion is left to discuss recent FCS move ups to FBS.

That’s sort of my point, what handicaps are we giving the FCS team in this impossible to know one way or another hypothetical?

The Bama game would be projected as a loss to say the least

I absolutely agree with your original premise. The current NDSU team playing an SEC schedule would beat maybe two of those teams. But give NDSU more scholarships, having half of those games at home and the cache of being able to tout themselves as an SEC team to potential recruits and I think a top FCS team could go .500 in the SEC most years.

You put the 2015 or the 2016 App state teams in the SEC and I’d would be willing to bet they’d have been over .500 in the SEC.

Did App state move to the SEC? Also, App state has been extremely successful in their move up to FBS, look at 2015 and 2016. I don’t follow them closely, so I couldn’t speak to why they are having a down year this year, but by and large they been doing very well in FBS football.

One has to wonder why you didn’t use Boise state as the example

Isn’t the internet magical?

Whew! I just checked my phone and thank God I made it in before the hour deadline. I agree with you actually. To say that NDSU or any other top FCS team would compete week in and week out in a P5 conference isn’t correct if you ask me. The disparity in scholarships and depth of talent would eventually wear the FCS team down and they would have a very difficult time being competitive late in the year. That being said, I also believe that if you put a top FCS team in that P5 conference with the same scholarship situation and the same Home/away situation as a real member of that conference, I think they could be above .500 in that conference most years.

If trolling equals backing up statements with facts by quoting the posts I was referring to, then I suppose I would be trolling.

Hard to predict much past the upcoming year. I couldn’t even tell you who NDSU’s starting quarterback will be the next time NDSU and UND play. Given the current trajectories of each team, it’s hard for me to not predict an NDSU win in 2019, but that could change in an instant. My guess is Kleiman will get some serious looks following this year if the right jobs are open, so NDSU may even have a new staff in 2018 or 2019.

Same reason you are I’d imagine, to discuss topics that I find interesting.

Isn’t the above what 90% of the posters on this board have been saying for the past 2 months? I’m not making outrageous claims, nor am I here to pour salt in your wounds. You, along with others, made a ridiculous claim about Utah following that game and I thought it would be interesting to revisit how good Utah really was this year now that the season played out. Then, you asked for my opinion on the next time UND and NDSU play, I told you I thought UND would have a new coaching staff the next time they play. For some reason, me saying what countless others on this board have said is trolling.

You may want to read back a few months on this board and tell me again how uninformed I am about the O line optimism. Reyes won’t be getting a medical redshirt.

http://www.undsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=58644&SPID=6399&Q_SEASON=2018 My apologies, I was using the above page as my reference. Is the above schedule then the rest of the OOC schedule for 2018?